Most of the negatives mentioned (fragility, bugs, plugins breaking often) are specific to neovim.
It's one of the reasons why I am and will always keep using vim instead of neovim.
Vim is a much more mature ecosystem, less chasing the newest "plugin du jour", my vimrc is stable, based on a few dozen plugins which are feature complete and rock solid stable.
Leaving Neovim for Zed
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Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed
#42Has Zed started hiding the mouse cursor when typing? If not, I'll wait.
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#43I'm still down to seriously consider Zed, but this is one of the most inorganic posts I have ever seen.
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#44I’m going to somehow misuse this discussion to ask for the readership help about something: I don’t understand the appeal of VSCode or more exactly I don’t understand the appeal of the text editor propped with plugins to be a semi-IDE so I guess that would also include Neovim with plugins. In my career, I have used text editors including vim which I still very much enjoy and both Eclipse and IntelliJ when I used to c…
The reason is simple: You write Java.
People using VS Code are writing JavaScript/TypeScript/Python that doesn't need full IDE features. And VS Code is much faster than Eclipse / IDEA kinds.
Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed
#45Neovim has felt frustrating. I still sort of manage a Neovim configuration, but have been gradually moving to Zed as well. (Similar reasons overall.) I think everyone has their own personal list of gripes and wants for a text editor. Here's some issues that I think many people will immediately be struck by: - Zed does not yet support EditorConfig. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/8534 - Zed does not yet s…
On indentation, most files are going to be autoformatted by the LSP, and there are tab_size settings in the languages section, needing specific file settings seems like an edge case.
As for collaboration and AI features, I have no use for them personally, but I think that's their avenue for future monetization, so I can't really complain that they are focussing on that when I get an amazing piece of software for free.
Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed
#46I’m going to somehow misuse this discussion to ask for the readership help about something: I don’t understand the appeal of VSCode or more exactly I don’t understand the appeal of the text editor propped with plugins to be a semi-IDE so I guess that would also include Neovim with plugins. In my career, I have used text editors including vim which I still very much enjoy and both Eclipse and IntelliJ when I used to c…
The reason is simple: You write Java. People using VS Code are writing JavaScript/TypeScript/Python that doesn't need full IDE features. And VS Code is much faster than Eclipse / IDEA kinds.
I have written Ocaml, Java, C, C++, Ada and Python professionally in my career. I either used an editor or an IDE. I had a plugin for eMacs when doing Ocaml but the experience was really subpar (that was before Merlin - yes, I’m that old).
I’m sorry but having used both. VSCode is not faster than Eclipse. It’s far less good at writing Java however.
You are not really answering my question by the way. So people are indeed using VsCode because there are no proper IDE for JS and TypeScript?
Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed
#47Most of the negatives mentioned (fragility, bugs, plugins breaking often) are specific to neovim. It's one of the reasons why I am and will always keep using vim instead of neovim. Vim is a much more mature ecosystem, less chasing the newest "plugin du jour", my vimrc is stable, based on a few dozen plugins which are feature complete and rock solid stable.
Do you mind sharing that list of plugins you use? I have never used plugins with vim/neovim and only used them vanilla up to this point but interested in checking out the plugin ecosystem.
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#48I’m actually in the opposite camp, I had left VSCode for Zed about 6 months ago and used it exclusively at work/personal projects. I’ve customized it extensively, and loved its approach to Vim integration. But in the last two weeks I’ve made the switch to Neovim (using a customized LazyVim [0] setup). I really like Zed but as others have pointed out they are not prioritizing features around REPL’s, AI, and collaboration while many core features are lacking. Vim Cut/Copy and paste being bugged, and html tags not closing drove me crazy over time.
I think Zed is wonderful, and would perhaps go back to it after it matures a bit. For what’s its worth the friction going from Zed -> Neo vim was quite seamless, and I’d expect going the other way would as well.
Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed
#49I'm still down to seriously consider Zed, but this is one of the most inorganic posts I have ever seen.
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Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed
#50I die inside whenever I use `\ ` for word boundary regex. Neovim has no plans to change this either. I'll likely switch eventually so I don't have to know two flavors of regex. One is hard enough.
Use \b lol
That doesn't work in Vim. Or rather: it matches the backspace character, which isn't what you want.