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Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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> watches provide some pretty useful health and emergency benefits Fitbits let you “see calls, texts & smartphone app notifications on your wrist when your phone is nearby” [1]. It has all the attention, focus and de-socialisation problems of a smartphone. [1] https://www.fitbit.com/global/us/products/smartwatches/sense...

Unless a fitbit has a convenient keyboard I've been missing for years, no, it does not remotely have all of the attention, focus and de-socialisation problems.

Probably 90% of what kids do on phones is consumption, not production.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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> Why will banning them make the enforcement problem solved? Whether the phone was being used is debatable. Whether it exists is not. Banning makes communication and enforcement easier.

We have videos of kids attacking teachers for taking away devices. These things, whether we like it are not, are ingrained in society. Taking a phone away can be akin to saying you are going to cut a part of my brain out. Kids fe still going to bring them, and kids are going to still feel as it’s their right to have them. On top of that only a few people in the sv bubble would agree with taking phones away.

The rich SV bubble is actually the most restrictive because they build the dangr and understand it. The C-suite at FAANG and friends don't let their kids have nearly as much time on screens as Alabama trailer park families do.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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New Zealand just banned student mobile phones recently in all schools [1]. I would guess LTE connected devices would also count. I think banning fitness trackers is a bit much, they are very useful for sports such as cycling, running, tri & swimming. [1] https://www.education.govt.nz/school/digital-technology/cell...

> banning fitness trackers is a bit much Fitbits let you “see calls, texts & smartphone app notifications on your wrist when your phone is nearby” [1]. Unless you’re doing a full backpack and pocket search, permitting Fitbits seems like a guaranteed loophole. [1] https://www.fitbit.com/global/us/products/smartwatches/sense...

If you can't respond, what's the problem?

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #21

I forget who originally suggested this so I can’t take credit. But what if device manufacturers worked with schools to implement some kind of “School Mode” on these devices? Students could retain their access in exchange for schools setting policies on what’s allowed, e.g. you can keep wearing your watch, but it’s effectively in collection-only mode during the school day. Nothing intrusive to the students; more like…

That would be terrifying in the case of an emergency; and no, the police aren't the only people you should want to be able to access in case of an emergency.

And if there are exceptions, you can put anyone on the exception list (because it's just a list) and it makes the change as useless as any other feature.

Parents already have parental modes on phones and they're not using them to this degree, it would seem.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #56

There is a striking divide between how the rich and FAANG employed treat technology around their kids versus everyone else. The single most potent difference I’ve seen as a result is their kids’ ability to maintain eye contact during conversation.

Everyone in our life has spoken about how impressed they are by our kids' ability to have conversations. My friend group asks us what the secret is. Secret: very limited phone and tablet time. Like how life was for millennia before smartphones.

Same situation here. Everyone loves how much and how well our kids can speak despite being trilingual (we speak three languages at home), and how rich their vocabulary is compared to monolingual kids around us (studies show delayed language development in bilingual and trilingual kids) The difference is that their screen time is around 30 mins to 1 hour per week. While for other kids I observe easily that amounts to at least a couple of hours per day.

Obviously parenting becomes easier with screens around. But being a parent is not about choosing the easiest path for yourself.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #2

Having used a Palm Pilot to genuine benefit in highschool in the 90s, and having finally just gotten a smart watch in part specifically to reduce smartphone usage, I have mixed feelings about broad restrictions. Networked smart phones absolutely have major addictive and disruptive effects, and are hard to police in practice. But watches provide some pretty useful health and emergency benefits, while IME have lived up…

> But watches provide some pretty useful health and emergency benefits For kids? How ever did anyone survive before 1990.

>How ever did anyone survive before

I really, really hate this mindless, lazy line of argument in general. It gets tossed out with absolutely everything, from the internet to vaccines to modern farming. The simple answer in many cases to "how did anyone survive before X" is "well, often they didn't". Life expectancies were in fact lower in the past. More people died, or were maimed, with no hope of treatment. Or sometimes it's "they did, but much less efficiently and we come to depend on each growth of the economy which at the foundation is literally about being able to do things more efficiently". Ease of communication, knowing what the weather is, all sorts of things mean less wasteful use of time and energy. Sometimes "they did, but perhaps less happily". A loved relative was in and accident, went to the hospital and you never got the chance to be involved when it mattered. And of course in some cases it's "new things have created downsides that create a need for other new things, the world has changed". Sometimes we can do something about that in the near term. Sometimes we cannot.

Low effort responses like you made are discouraged on HN for good reason. Yeah, absolutely new negatives have come with the new positives and seeking to reduce the former matters. But productive discussion and activity tends to focus on specifics vs generalities. Reducing the benefits of real time communication devices to a binary "life/death" and then NOT grappling with modern trends in everything from natural disasters to school shootings to reduced bussing doesn't strike me as great Walter.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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There is a striking divide between how the rich and FAANG employed treat technology around their kids versus everyone else. The single most potent difference I’ve seen as a result is their kids’ ability to maintain eye contact during conversation.

This article is from one of the richest towns in America.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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> banning fitness trackers is a bit much Fitbits let you “see calls, texts & smartphone app notifications on your wrist when your phone is nearby” [1]. Unless you’re doing a full backpack and pocket search, permitting Fitbits seems like a guaranteed loophole. [1] https://www.fitbit.com/global/us/products/smartwatches/sense...

If you can't respond, what's the problem?

Wouldn't it still be an unnecessary distraction for the student?

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #96

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> But watches provide some pretty useful health and emergency benefits For kids? How ever did anyone survive before 1990.

> How ever did anyone survive before I really, really hate this mindless, lazy line of argument in general. It gets tossed out with absolutely everything, from the internet to vaccines to modern farming. The simple answer in many cases to "how did anyone survive before X" is "well, often they didn't". Life expectancies were in fact lower in the past. More people died, or were maimed, with no hope of treatment. Or som…

I stand by my assertion. How many times in your 12 years in school was instant 24/7 communication for everyone in the school been of significant benefit, or would have been if they had it?

It's zero in my case.

Then look at the downsides, which are pervasive - inattention, disruption, distraction.

If you still want it, put a landline phone in each classroom on the teacher's desk. The principal can also have a switch to turn it off in an emergency.

Re: Greenwich schools to ban most cellphones, Apple Watches, Fitbits and more

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post #58

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And then teachers would not be able to call 911 if there is an emergency in class. Next suggestion, please, this one was no good.

Put a landline on the teacher's desk.
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