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Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you realize they were a bad fit?

Because they repeatedly demonstrated a very poor grip on reality: they seemed to think that inventing a bland two-word phrase (a) gave them all rights to all interpretations of that phrase and (b) made my part as prospective tech/CTO easy to conjure that up as spec and reality. Me still bitter and twisted? Never!

"Well it was MY IDEA so I deserve 80% equity + above market salary and in exchange you can GET RICH by paying to build the product and operating it!"

~The co-founder who in addition to delivering ZERO value of any kind in addition to demanding a large salary, CEO title and Chairman status.

We all run into this guy, I think everyone has a story like this.

Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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Forming a partnership with a salesman who couldn't sell and who worse kept me from selling work I could have sold myself. Boy did we get a lot of calls and we learned a lot about the industry we selling into, competitors, etc.

Why couldn't your partner sell? Was it 'cause they didn't know how, didn't want to, or something else?

What did you do different when you took over? (Just curious)

Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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Did you pivot your business model after this realization, or did you continue to compete on price?

We did pivot to add a more premium, high touch offering and it sold very well. Thats how we came to the second unhappy realization: Despite having what we considered a very nice TAM the industry didn't really want to be scaled. This meant that our clients who paid for our premium offering were very difficult to service and create value for. Our business was in a sense connecting buyers with sellers for a fee, and the…

That's a tough pivot. So, you went from low-cost to high-touch, only to find a market that didn't scale? That's gotta sting. Did you consider a hybrid model or focusing on only one end???

Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you realize they were a bad fit?

Because they repeatedly demonstrated a very poor grip on reality: they seemed to think that inventing a bland two-word phrase (a) gave them all rights to all interpretations of that phrase and (b) made my part as prospective tech/CTO easy to conjure that up as spec and reality. Me still bitter and twisted? Never!

That's rough. It's tough to work with someone who doesn't get it.

Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they repeatedly demonstrated a very poor grip on reality: they seemed to think that inventing a bland two-word phrase (a) gave them all rights to all interpretations of that phrase and (b) made my part as prospective tech/CTO easy to conjure that up as spec and reality. Me still bitter and twisted? Never!

"Well it was MY IDEA so I deserve 80% equity + above market salary and in exchange you can GET RICH by paying to build the product and operating it!" ~The co-founder who in addition to delivering ZERO value of any kind in addition to demanding a large salary, CEO title and Chairman status. We all run into this guy, I think everyone has a story like this.

Were you eavesdropping on our conversations? B^>

Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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post #17

I once developed an app and a site before i really knew people would actually want to pay for it! rookie mistake! lesson learnt: don't make before you sell

I do the same thing! How do you find people who want your product before you make it? It's hard to get people to know about it without showing them something first.

What if I don't have any distribution or social followings?

P.S. I'm in the same boat.

Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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post #17

I once developed an app and a site before i really knew people would actually want to pay for it! rookie mistake! lesson learnt: don't make before you sell

I do the same thing! How do you find people who want your product before you make it? It's hard to get people to know about it without showing them something first. What if I don't have any distribution or social followings? P.S. I'm in the same boat.

If you can't find people before you make it, then you won't find them after you make it either.

Which makes this an excellent question. Indeed perhaps the most important question to ask before you build anything.

Too many programmers subscribe to the school of "if you build it through will come'. (Hint: that's not how it works.)

Firstly you don't have to show anything to potential customers, (and even when you have it, it's better not to show it.) You are selling benefits, not features.

Secondly, how to find them is exactly the hard problem you need to figure out (it'll be different for different products.) For me personally, I the late 90s / early aughts, I traveled to user groups (all over the world.) Turns out that "showing up" spread the word very quickly.

(That worked for me because it's a niche area and nobody else bothered to travel, so I stood out.)

The key lesson here- if you can't define your market, and if you can't reach them, you can't sell to them.

Every business has hard problems. This may be yours. Solve this problem first, not last.

Re: Ask HN: What was your biggest startup fail?

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I can't give details over why I learned these lessons without dox'ing myself, even speaking in broadstrokes is hard and the actors are litigious.

- Don't make your product hard to buy.

- Don't take investments from a potential customer.

Long story short, the key innovation was fiscal (looking to draw revenue from the real meat of the industry and not where it was traditionally placed in the supply chain), the tech was compelling enough to get investment from a large player, we built the product, then tried to sell the product to the investor, they dragged their feet, and eventually offered to buy the company instead of license the technology. But only after we ran out of runway and everyone lost their jobs.

The founder said "no" and the company is gone.

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When I say "don't make it hard to buy," in B2B sales think about how much money you want to make off a single customer, given that number, what level of the organization is there someone that has that purchasing power, how hard is it to get them in a room, and can you walk out with a sales contract finalized or do they need to kick it back to their team for a final approval. And if that timeline exceeds your runway and you need the sale to close you're fucked.

In less crass terms, as an early stage startup you want your enterprise sales to scale horizontally through an organization. If your ideal user is at that company, you can only make so much money by selling it to them, because they have a limited budget. So you can instead sell to their manager, by getting the user to convince them to get more money to buy your product. But if you get greedy and then try to sell to that manager's manager, all of the sudden your advocate is two levels removed from the person making the decision and that's much more difficult to close. What you want is lots of deals closed fast, and that manager to tell another manager at the same level their team is using your product, or people to talk about you at the water cooler and get their managers to buy.

And once you scale up, then you can offer discounts for expanding to all teams under an org instead of each team buying individually, and now you have an enterprise contract that's a signal to get another enterprise contract with a competitor.

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