"Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by neilv » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 4:39 PM UTC

LorenDB wrote: post #5

delduca wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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HN policy is that submissions always link to the primary source. Alternative proxy links (Thread Reader, archive.today, archive.org) are welcome in the comments, but as they are not the primary source, they should not be submitted as the HN topic.

And, for whatever reason, Twitter/X links get upvoted on HN.

Otherwise, eventually word would get out to content creators that, if they want exposure on HN, they'd have to put their content somewhere other than Twitter/X.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by layer8 » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 4:40 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #4

Apple doesn't necessarily making the best hardware or software, but they are definitely the best at branding and public relations.

The former would benefit the user, while the latter mostly just benefits Apple.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by 29athrowaway » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 4:43 PM UTC

delduca wrote: post #3

throwawayk7h wrote: post #2

https://unrollnow.com/status/1825068918509072852

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Right. What else do you propose? a large book burning? destroying libraries?

X (formerly Twitter) has a large trove of valuable content that dates from the "Twitter 1.0" era as well.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by wryoak » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 4:43 PM UTC

I didn’t really see good examples of their claims in the unrollnow link - was there more on x proper? Admittedly I’m not an iOS/macOS dev so I’m probably not the target audience of this CtA.

Or maybe I’m just too keen to the irony of using language to deconstruct another’s use of language, how the “us vs them” language shapes the argument about Apple’s own so-called “us vs them” language…

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by Spivak » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 4:43 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #4

Apple doesn't necessarily making the best hardware or software, but they are definitely the best at branding and public relations.

This doesn't stand up to reality. You can't market your way into billions of sales over such a long period while a superior product exists at a lower price sold literally right next to it. You just can't hide the lack of signal for that long. The "iPhones are a status symbol" hasn't been true for a long time because everyone has them.

They are the better software and hardware product full stop. Whether that makes them worth the premium they charge or whether the restrictions they impose make it less useful for the tasks you want to do is an individual decision. But the narrative that Apple has been pulling the wool over everyone's eyes for 20 years doesn't work because people are using the product constantly every day.

Source: Long time Android user from the Droid days who was fully convinced iPhones were a marketing scam until I actually used one in like 2022.