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Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by [deleted] »

imiric wrote: post #388
umbra07 wrote: post #272

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A FOSS project can be FOSS and refuse all other contributions. FOSS does not make any requirements towards how the creator/main contributor handles and treats users, submitted patches, and feature requests. So no, FOSS users have zero inherent right to request anything - until the creator allows for it. I agree that taking that kind of "closed" approach is not helpful.

> A FOSS project can be FOSS and refuse all other contributions. It can, yes. There's nothing preventing it, except that it's a shitty way to work in the open, and you may as well make the project proprietary or source available. The maintainers might have their own vision of the project direction, and they may reject contributions, but refusing contributions outright is how forks are made. Nothing wrong with that ei…

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Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by literallycancer »

shpx wrote: post #67

On my Macbook Air, mpv adds an orange tint to videos so I hate when I have to use it because it's the only player that can play a file I downloaded.

Do you have the Apple silicon version? The brew package is messed up somehow IIRC a the up to date version for Apple silicon doesn't have the graphical shortcuts (I don't remember what brew calls these), but the one that does is for the Intel CPUs.

Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by FabHK »

fragmede wrote: post #394
FabHK wrote: post #389

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As outlined in some other thread, mpv is not able to stream eg to ChromeCast, unlike VLC. Maybe VLC supports certain things that make the previous-frame thing harder. I suspect it is so, but I don't have insight into the detailed architecture of VLC, unlike I assume the VLC developers. Do you?

Why is their architecture making it harder on them relevant to the question if it's possible? Because the root question is if it's possible, and there's multiple existence proofs that it's possible. Maybe the VLC developers are just tired. I don't blame them. They had to do a whole refactor to get Chromecast support working, and they got no thanks for that. Or maybe it just wasn't enough thanks and they don't feel li…

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Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by loeg »

globular-toast wrote: post #280
loeg wrote: post #89

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It's relatively easy to get 100us level precision in CPU wait and mpv has 42ms (42,000us) to emit each frame (at 24fps). Nevermind that the monitor refresh is likely 60fps or better so each frame lasts for two+ monitor frames anyway. As long as it is consistent with each frame timing it should be very rare that a video frame is skipped or doubled up.

Frames shouldn't be skipped but if the monitor is at 60Hz and the video is at 24 then many frames will have to come early or late. That's what causes the stutter that is most apparent on slow planning scenes. It's like the reel in the projector is being fed through in a jerky manner so each from lines up with one of the monitor frames rather than going through at constant speed like it's supposed to. There's no way a…

I don't think frames coming at most 8.3ms early/late are perceptible, much less "jerky."

Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by stebalien »

nagisa wrote: post #264
vocx2tx wrote: post #36

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It uses yt-dlp as the download backend, so it works with anything that yt-dlp handles.

I have found this not to be as straightforward as this. In particular: 1. Although `yt-dlp` consistently is able to download videos at link speed (even when the said link is in multi-gig range!), streaming the video through `mpv` will not work as well and some videos would buffer every couple chunks. But that was in the past… 2. With recent changes to how videos are served and "protected", I'm still able to download…

Try setting `ytdl-format=ytdl` in `mpv.conf`, that fixed it for me.

Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by DonHopkins »

lupusreal wrote: post #352
DonHopkins wrote: post #301

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"I'll be waiting for your patch. Surely you're not as lazy and incompetent as the existing volunteer developers."- Rémi Denis-Courmont I see Rémi Denis-Courmont's arrogant attitude and disrespect for users and developers hasn't improved in all these years. And neither has VLC's spectacularly awful UI. Coincidence, or cause and effect? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13573499 DonHopkins on Feb 5, 2017 | parent |…

You've got some very confused beliefs about what mkv is and why it's used. Mkv is a container, not a codec, which is most often used to store lossy video and audio tracks. It can store lossless tracks too, but that is uncommon in practice. Other popular containers, such as mp4 (e.g. MPEG-4 Part 14), can also store lossless tracks. The biggest reason anime people prefer mkv to mp4 is because mkv supports the ASS/SSA s…

Those aren't my confused beliefs, I was literally quoting the text at the links.

And you don't have to be so defensive by jumping to conclusions that I hate "weebs" and think they're all pervs (although the ones obsessed with sexualizing little girls are certainly misogynistic pervs). What I hate is spending precious time and effort catering to small groups of people obsessed with particular fetishes (perverted and misogynistic or not), at the expense of prioritizing solving the real problems of large groups of people suffering from particular egregious bugs and usability issues.

Remember: it's been A DOZEN YEARS since I reported the problems in great detail with step-by-step instructions to reproduce them, and they STILL haven't fixed those problems that I and other people reported. Maybe refusing to ever acknowledge or fix those horrible bugs is Rémi Denis-Courmont's way of getting revenge on me for hurting his feelings by posting a wall of text he claims he didn't bother to read, at the expense of all of his other users and the quality and usability of VLC, so now I'm sorry I ever took the time to try to help by reporting and documenting the bug, and I'll never do that again, but he still seems pretty arrogant and thin skinned to me, even quite recently. And VLC's user interface STILL sucks.

Edit: The link I'm quoting is myself, quoting the text in another link written by SOMEONE ELSE. Literally, the VLC release notes, and an anime discussion about MKV which I read before I quoted it, so I already fully understand what you're mansplaining to me, and I'm not complaining about cartoon porn or MKV, I'm complaining about idiotic priorities. I'm sorry I touched a nerve that triggered you, but I don't hate "weebs" or porn, just misogyny and child abuse and terrible user interfaces. If you want to argue in favor of those things, go back to 4chan.

Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by commodoreboxer »

imiric wrote: post #384
zem wrote: post #279

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> developers who only want to work on features they personally find interesting or worthwhile. you say that like it's a bad or even a surprising thing. for a lot of people that's the entire point of open source development - in their day jobs they do what they are required to do for the company that pays them, and then in their own open source projects they can do what genuinely interests them.

Why bother releasing OSS at all then? What do developers who don't want to listen to their users honestly gain from this? Padding on their résumé? If you just wish to solve your own problems, build things for yourself and keep it private. If, on the other hand, you want to help others and make your software public, then do right by the people who decided to try your software and listen to what they have to say. How a…

Imagine finding a piece of art you like, but finding a minor anatomy flaw. When you point it out, the artist says they aren't going to fix it, because the piece is finished, and it would be impossible for them to do it, you point out that other artists have touched up their finished pieces, and they tell you to do it yourself, then.

Why is the artist obligated to do the work you think they should do? Why, if they don't do this work, should they be obligated to not release their work publicly?

FOSS is not an obligation to do everything that every user wants you to do. It's not an obligation to even communicate with those users. In fact, it comes explicitly with no warranty, even for fitness for any purpose.

The developer is a poor communicator, but how anybody can be defending those annoying, entitled, lazy users is beyond me.

Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by wrasee »

FabHK wrote: post #377
wrasee wrote: post #335

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But he didn't "just" say no: > If it's so easy, why are you not doing it? Talk is cheap. > I'll be waiting for your patch. Surely you're not as lazy and incompetent as the existing volunteer developers. I'd say that is pretty toxic. Specifically, that is no way to talk about other volunteer developers that contribute their time. It is precisely the kind of language that keeps people away from contributing to open sou…

Quite remarkable that you call the developer toxic when those were his replies paraphrasing what users had said and demanded up-thread. > that is no way to talk about other volunteer developers that contribute their time. He is not dissing the other developers. He is one of those developers that had been called lazy and incompetent by the forum posters. For example (from the thread): > it's mostly an excuse to not im…

Yes ok, I did read the thread but didn't get the reference. I wouldn't say it's "quite remarkable", more simply that I misunderstood. My apologies.

But I stand by the broader point that I do not think his attitude is at all constructive or helpful, and while I am sure he is fed of up what he views as entitled users this is not a productive way to handle it. The toxicity is that it casts shade on FOSS and pushes people away from the community. And VLC would be half what it is today without it's users. He would do well to remember that, too.

Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by ryukoposting »

sebastos wrote: post #222
j1elo wrote: post #118

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Wow those answers are indeed funny. I agree that as an OSS dev/maintainer, it's easy to fall on the vice of over-generalization and crusade for the perfect solution, and it feels that's exactly what happened there. > this feature is algorithmically impossible > You're just looking at one specific video, not the general problem. > is not generally possible. As a fellow multimedia dev, man, who cares? Sometimes we forg…

Disagree! VLC is what it is today because the authors understood video standards enough to make the _right_ abstractions that could generalize to ~every video format ever. That is no easy task. Video container standards are utterly perverse, and seem to delight in stomping over even the most innocent intuitions about what you would expect to find in a stream of bits that purports to contain "video". They often refuse…

> VLC is what it is today

VLC is the least common denominator of video players. Its UI is asinine and the two primary reasons for its popularity are its iconic logo and multi-OS compatibility.

I admit you're probably right on the topic of stepping backwards by one frame, but I wouldn't be so quick to shower VLC with broad praise like that.

Re: Mpv – A free, open-source, and cross-platform media player

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Post by Thaxll »

literallycancer wrote: post #393
Thaxll wrote: post #358

MPV is great for powerusers, for the vast majority of people just use VLC. I used both over the year and there are still things that are really annoying in mpv: - you can't render on a Chromecast - opening a file that does not work does nothing, you don't know what's happening, is the file corrupted, is the codec not supported ?? - the no ui idea is nice for opening a single file, but then you go to the rabbithole of…

If your distro has outdated packages, that's a problem with your distro. You can always just open files with a CLI if you want to see the error messages. What do you mean can't drag and drop on a window? That's literally how you add subtitles or open a file if you opened mpv from the shortcut, rather than by opening a file.

None of the distro keeps package up to date with mpv. Only rolling one are probably updated.

Adding a file does not enqueued them, it just open it and play it right away.

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