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Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by psychlops »

surgical_fire wrote: post #399
psychlops wrote: post #394

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Breaking the law isn't a meaningful part of the economic argument. X can hire employees in any country in the world. Ireland is proving itself to be more costly than a competing country and thereby pushing employment away.

Eh, this is bullshit. Ireland always had labor laws, and most companies operating there had little problems navigating through it. Of course, those companies were not under the whims of a moronic buffoon.

Crass as your point is and it may be true, each time they fine companies it raises the cost of operation and changes the nature of the decision.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by GJim »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #277
pintxo wrote: post #238

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I guess people in Europe find it strange that people in the US are willing to accept the status quo there?

Presumably, you think we should what? Take the to the streets? Standard of living of food security is still far too high generally for this to seem reasonable for most. Shall we lobby our representatives? This does happen at the state level, and accordingly many states have more pro-worker policies and laws. But change at the federal level is a substantially harder thing to bring.

> Presumably, you think we should what? Take the to the streets?

Ummmmmm, Yes?

It's how the people who got ALL the rights we take for grated today did.

Especially our employment rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolpuddle_Martyrs

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by surgical_fire »

psychlops wrote: post #401
surgical_fire wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, this is bullshit. Ireland always had labor laws, and most companies operating there had little problems navigating through it. Of course, those companies were not under the whims of a moronic buffoon.

Crass as your point is and it may be true, each time they fine companies it raises the cost of operation and changes the nature of the decision.

X was not fined.

The €550k was compensation for unlawful termination.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by GJim »

addicted wrote: post #329
withinboredom wrote: post #14

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In the US, in most (all?) jurisdictions, your employer doesn't really need to have a reason to fire you. They can fire everyone wearing red shirts, if they wanted to. There are also very few places providing leave (outside of white-collar positions). For example, my wife was given two weeks off from her job after having my son. The state we lived in only required maternity leave to be implemented at companies having…

> In the US, in most (all?) jurisdictions, your employer doesn't really need to have a reason to fire you. They can fire everyone wearing red shirts, if they wanted to. This is not entirely correct. They can fire you for any reason as long as it’s not because of a protected reason. There are certain protected reasons at the federal level and many states add additional ones at the state level. So, for example, they ca…

Question: So what stops them firing the old bloke, simply because they are wearing a red shirt?

Ergo: Surely it should be the other way around; that you can only be fired for specific protracted reasons, i.e. gross negligence.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

lazide wrote: post #160
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #111

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> Proof is simple: Since a lot of low paying jobs in the US have no labour protections. That doesn't follow. The low paying jobs exist because the value to the employer of hiring someone exceeds the low pay. For those jobs, if the employer is required to provide paid vacation etc. then it can push the cost of hiring someone over the cost of offshoring the job or automating it, so the alternative then isn't high pay v…

Total comp for experienced software engineers in Silicon Valley exceeded $750k/yr for several years. Your argument makes no sense. It was a bubble, but a bubble that has been inflated for a very long time.

Whether software engineers making $750k/year is a bubble has nothing to do with my argument at all. The average annual wages in the US are ~$77,000, compared to ~$55,000 for France or the UK.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by DarkmSparks »

b112 wrote: post #69
DarkmSparks wrote: post #47

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A big section of this is the petrodollar creating an perversly stong USD. As that dies off and the USD rebalances to a post American empire equilibrium, housing priced in USD will be far more similar everywhere, exactly the same way it did post British and French empires. (back when 1gbp would buy you 10usd)

I don't get the reasoning here. Costs in SV are a direct result of the economic powerhouse it is, and the size of the local population. A lot of people cite all sorts of other reasons, but those reasons exist in every other US state to a degree, and yet many of those states do not have high property costs. It's all about population density compared with economic might. If the USD was to crash tomorrow, people in SV w…

the best quick source for the "true" value of a currency is the big mac index

https://www.economist.com/big-mac-index

generally speaking USD is going to lose about 50% of its value as the petrodollar and yen carry trade unwind over the next couple of decades.

So to understand what is actually being earnt and spent in the US in a global context, just divide USD prices by 2, then you can see e.g. the US and UK gdp per capita are basically the same.

Its obviously far more complex than this, but that basic rule of thumb still holds even when you add in all the complexity.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by GJim »

williamvds wrote: post #334
deskr wrote: post #260

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I'd assume Ireland has something like bailiffs in the UK. Delta tried not paying around £3000 owed to a customer. He got a court order and sent bailiffs who went to the airport, closed the checking and said they were going seize the plane to pay for the debt. There's a good short documentary about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QSj9odUD_c&t=320s . This link starts at 320 seconds, where the action starts. S…

That video is also a great example of just how abusable the bailiff system is. All the "agents" care about is getting the money for their client. For this, they're willing and apparently able to abort at least one flight, and possibly others, costing people on those flights possibly thousands each with rebookings etc, all for £3k. I've only has the displeasure of interacting with a bailiff once, when I was a naive st…

Debt Collector != Court bailiff

You clearly had the former masquerading as latter. In Blighty, a debt collector tricking a naive student into believing they have court authority (!) is their Standard Operating Procedure.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by userbinator »

fhd2 wrote: post #73
userbinator wrote: post #44

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The basic principle is --- you work, you get paid. If you're not working, you're not getting paid. Anything additional is a bonus at the discretion of the employer.

That's where I suppose the US and EU truly differ. The US generally goes for the "the market will solve it" approach. If you're a bad employer, nobody wants to work there, the company goes down and the competition wins. It's a beautiful theory IMHO. The EU approach is sort of the same, but to add regulation on top to steer the market towards specific goals, like having a strong middle class. If, for example, a compan…

beauty in sharing and distributing personal risks

That's socialism. Look at what happened to the USSR and it's obvious that we don't want to go (further) down that path.

The cost of living is too high in many places; but that's a symptom and not a cause.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by lazide »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #405
lazide wrote: post #160

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Total comp for experienced software engineers in Silicon Valley exceeded $750k/yr for several years. Your argument makes no sense. It was a bubble, but a bubble that has been inflated for a very long time.

Whether software engineers making $750k/year is a bubble has nothing to do with my argument at all. The average annual wages in the US are ~$77,000, compared to ~$55,000 for France or the UK.

Cite? Overall in the US I’m showing about $60k. [https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/business/hr-payroll...].

For software engineers, it absolutely matters. For the same reason it’s going to be a pretty weird discussion about Actor/Actress pay if you just ignore Hollywood.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Post by lazide »

badpun wrote: post #377
lazide wrote: post #288

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lol. The German cope is strong here. It doesn’t generally get included for the same reason IBM doesn’t typically get included in list of ‘tech companies’, even if they are one of the oldest actual tech companies. Been around forever (70’s or earlier), large multinational, more about business integration and sales than any headline tech. Frankly, their tech has been a side thought for a very long time internally. It’s…

> Been around forever (70’s or earlier), large multinational, more about business integration and sales than any headline tech. This fits Microsoft as well. Are they not in tech?

They definitely aren’t a FAANG.
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