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X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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It is not required in the US as it varies by state.

Enough states require it that most companies large enough to be multistate in employment go ahead and standardize it into their policies.

Apparently 27 states require it, but New York does which makes it more likely a large employer would.

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> You are effectively buying those labour protections with the difference in salary. Yes. And I appreciate those labor protections enough that I gladly pay for them. I could still buy a car, a house, raise a family, have some savings, etc. The stability and security provided by the labor protections are very much appreciated, a lot more than some extra cash would be.

> I could still buy a car, a house, raise a family, have some savings, etc. You are an outlier. Very few SDEs in EU can afford to raise a family in their own SFH on a single salary while living in a location with any notable IT jobs market.

> You are an outlier

No I am definitely not.

In every company I worked for, in three different countries, my coworkers were in similar situations.

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I could see each stint being off for more than 3 weeks would require something from the manager to confirm enough handover has happened. Waiting too 3 weeks is normal each time, but if you’re a project manager and vanish for 5 weeks at a critical part of the project then someone needs to know.

Yeah but why would there be paperwork mandated by law?

I don’t think anyone said they did

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Something to keep in mind on the maternity leave front… Most short term disability insurance actually covers maternity leave for about 6 weeks. It’s really easy for employers to make sure this is part of their benefits package these days.

While that might seem generous in the US that is not universal and still woefully minimal. All fathers in Canada are entitled to a minimum of 5 weeks of leave let alone the maximum of 18 months leave mothers

I understand. I just mention it because many small business don’t have the cash reserve to offer anything if insurance doesn’t provide it.

Re: X ordered to pay €550k to Irish employee fired after yes-or-resign ultimatum

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What physical assets does X have in Ireland to seize? The Fenian street office in Dublin is leased and TikTok took over most of that space anyway.

If X owns the building they can seize that, tennants be damned.

Already said in the post you responded to that they lease it. It's publicly available information.

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What physical assets does X have in Ireland to seize? The Fenian street office in Dublin is leased and TikTok took over most of that space anyway.

First things baliffs typically seize are bank accounts, way less fuss with them than with physical assets. You typically only seize physical assets from broke people, or from companies that went bankrupt.

Then why do you think Delta's plane almost had to be seized instead of one of their bank accounts?

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> But it seems you've cited an example of something ironically very anti-labor. This means your government has codified into law the false idea that all human employees are undifferentiated commodities (like cattle). So as an employer, if there's no ability to remove underperformers every year No, that is not the case. You can still fire people and you can do so especially if they are underperforming. You just can't…

You say a lot of things which companies can't actually do in reality. Show me examples of firing a few underperformers easily from a company.

I was easy enough to fire for my former employers.

You would probably say that it isn't EASY because in the US it is much easier to do. You might not be able to do it immediately without notice period unless the employee does something really stupid or illegal.

You can however fire someone any time when you give them the notice period defined in the employment contract. You might need to give them a warning that they are underperforming first so that they can fix it before you fire them, but after that, you can just fire them.

This happens ALL THE TIME, but it isn't done as a mass/group action. If you have a problem with an individual then the individual gets fired.

Also, in the first 6 months, you don't need any reason and the notice period is shortened to 2 weeks.

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First things baliffs typically seize are bank accounts, way less fuss with them than with physical assets. You typically only seize physical assets from broke people, or from companies that went bankrupt.

Then why do you think Delta's plane almost had to be seized instead of one of their bank accounts?

There's a strong chance Delta don't have much legal/fiscal presence in the UK. Probably also why they didn't feel a pressing need to pay fines in the UK.

There's a much higher chance that Twitter have a legal and financial presence in Ireland, especially being that it is/was their EMEA HQ.

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I'd assume Ireland has something like bailiffs in the UK. Delta tried not paying around £3000 owed to a customer. He got a court order and sent bailiffs who went to the airport, closed the checking and said they were going seize the plane to pay for the debt. There's a good short documentary about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QSj9odUD_c&t=320s . This link starts at 320 seconds, where the action starts. S…

That video is also a great example of just how abusable the bailiff system is. All the "agents" care about is getting the money for their client. For this, they're willing and apparently able to abort at least one flight, and possibly others, costing people on those flights possibly thousands each with rebookings etc, all for £3k. I've only has the displeasure of interacting with a bailiff once, when I was a naive st…

I find it difficult to side with Delta when they're trying to shirk their legal obligations to their customers.

There's a comment in the video that this is david vs goliath, and they give david some leverage. I think that's the perfect use for high-court bailiffs. The other way around, maybe not so much.

(Ironically - obeying court judgements is not without control of the airline, so if this caused delays, those customers could claim compensation also.)

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In the US, in most (all?) jurisdictions, your employer doesn't really need to have a reason to fire you. They can fire everyone wearing red shirts, if they wanted to. There are also very few places providing leave (outside of white-collar positions). For example, my wife was given two weeks off from her job after having my son. The state we lived in only required maternity leave to be implemented at companies having…

One caveat: at will employment doesn't allow a company to fire you for "any" reason. It allows you to be fired for "no" reason. So, if a company says "we're firing everyone wearing red shirts", then you can potentially contest that. If they fire you without a reason, then it's legal. If you can prove there was actually a reason, and that the reason was illegal, then you can sue them for wrongful termination

In this case "red shirts" isn't an illegal reason for firing because people in red shirts are not a covered class. You can fire for any reason except those related to covered classes so it's fine to fire with reasons. "You stole from us so you're fired!" isn't any risk because people who steal are not part of a protected class.
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