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Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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Re: Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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It’s interesting to see so many supposedly ‘hackers’ take the state of Intellectual “Property” laws that are from a different era (and are “purchased” by old incumbents too by the way) as gospel and object to strategies to deal with them for the long term.

Schmidt is very pragmatic simply predicting something like that is inevitable and probably the right strategy is to build your AI thing and bet/try that something like that would happen.

https://youtu.be/eginMQBWII4

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Isn’t he describing what big companies can do? They can copy startups using their giant cash reserves and use lawyers and frivolous patents to make it difficult to challenge them.

I think Youtube is a better example than AI because AI is arguably transformative, while early Youtube had much more blatant copyright violations.

It's too risky for established players to do this because they'll be sued immediately. A small player can fly under the radar for long enough to see if the idea has legs. If it does, it'll be worth it for rights holders to negotiate.

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember Napster? They went all in on getting traction, succeeded, then got crushed by the music industry. Ignoring the law only works if you are bankrolled. Don't try this at home, kids.

Yes, but how did things work out for the founders?

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Re: Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember Napster? They went all in on getting traction, succeeded, then got crushed by the music industry. Ignoring the law only works if you are bankrolled. Don't try this at home, kids.

Napster is an amazing example. They are a massive success story. Sean Parker is doing great. It worked out for him. So the point stands. If you get serious traction, the worst that can happen is your current company goes under, years down the line, after you have cashed out and you then fail upwards into being a successful tech celebrity. This is all a much better outcome than nobody caring about your product, as you…

As Sean Parker's character in The Social Network's line reads: "You want to buy a Tower Records, Eduardo?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLgpUEpaUVs

Re: Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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post #49

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Regular joes use adblockers and torrents etc to do legally questionable things all the time, so not sure what you mean. Personally I played hundreds of pirated games growing up for free, don't personally know anyone who got into trouble for doing that sort of thing.

Google torrent lawsuits. Tens of thousands of people have had their lives ruined due to torrent use. Claiming that there's anything illegal about adblockers is a real stretch, although I can definitely believe that they will eventually be outlawed either by statute or through some torturous legal argument agreed to by corrupt judges.

I can think up a few legal ideas off the top of head in regards to adblockers:

From a copyright point of view… adblockers make a derivative work so they should pay the content maker for those. Those are worth orders of magnitude more than the ad would have paid.

Or maybe unfair business practice. Their whole aim is deprive another business of income. Or how they shake down companies for money so the blocker becomes less effective on that site.

Just ideas

Re: Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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post #38

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You've missed the "if you have to ignore it to succeed" part of my comment. You'll do fine without robbing a bank or dumping chemical waste (neither of which are profitable in practice now, as well). Meanwhile society is littered with so many small instances of copyright infringement (memes, which usually are not fair use; fan art; etc.) that it's common practice for rightsholders to look the other way - but it shoul…

How about slave labor? Definitely more profitable than paying employees. Is the law broken here, too?

You don't need slave labor to run a business.

Re: Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regular joes use adblockers and torrents etc to do legally questionable things all the time, so not sure what you mean. Personally I played hundreds of pirated games growing up for free, don't personally know anyone who got into trouble for doing that sort of thing.

Google torrent lawsuits. Tens of thousands of people have had their lives ruined due to torrent use. Claiming that there's anything illegal about adblockers is a real stretch, although I can definitely believe that they will eventually be outlawed either by statute or through some torturous legal argument agreed to by corrupt judges.

> Tens of thousands of people have had their lives ruined due to torrent use.

That is a tiny fraction of the number of people who did it. There are companies that got destroyed due to lawsuits as well, I wouldn't say lawsuits are less of an issue for companies than people, significant lawsuits are very rare in either case.

> Claiming that there's anything illegal about adblockers is a real stretch

It is legally questionable, I didn't say it was illegal we were talking about questionable actions.

Re: Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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post #22

he's right there's no essential universal moral truth about IP law, these laws are just an economic enabler you won't go to hell for IP breaches, no kittens will be smothered let the lawyers figure it out, but be prepared to pay

It depends on the framing. “Stealing” content that someone else created is universally derided. Slurping up the internet and distributing it to billions of users is an economic model.

> “Stealing” content that someone else created is universally derided.

All the people using torrents every day do not agree with you.

Re: Ex-Google CEO: AI startups can steal IP and hire lawyers to 'clean up the mess'

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post #60

The bit the headline references starts at about 23m41s in: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eQPHqcRwChpTHYEUQlhUDnBNnCS... FWIW, the talk starts rough, but there's some good bits throughout.

The irony of re-hosting on Google Drive to avoid a takedown from Google YouTube.

The irony is a bit dulled when you consider that Drive is a service that you pay for (beyond the free tier), while YouTube is a service where they pay you to host popular videos.
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