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Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by borski »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #120
borski wrote: post #37

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Eh, I don’t think that’s true. I think you’ve just had bad experiences, and that that can definitely be true in pockets. For example, I am exceptionally happy that we have standardized on OpenAPI documentation and/or the self-documenting nature of GraphQL (where used) rather than WSDLs and the other ancient nonsense. I’m also glad we’ve mostly progressed from SAML to OAuth2/OIDC/JWT. Sure, SAML still exists but it’s…

You're cherry-picking technologies. I'm talking about people. Yes, I have. Krb5, LDAP, OAuth2, CAS, and SAML 1 & 2. XML sucks but sometimes you have to pee with bits you have rather than remake the entire world all at once with a utopian panacea.

Oh, of course - if you have no other options you go with what you have.

But if you have other options, I think too many people are also stuck in “I know what I know and I know it will work” and will happily kludge along while something else is sitting right next to them, better for the job.

Neither extreme works.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by [deleted] »

borski wrote: post #51
maxioatic wrote: post #45

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Same thing with Olympic weightlifting. This is a very common phrase in my gym. Snatching has got to be the most humbling barbell movement ever. Dudes who can easily bench over 100 kg (220 lbs) would never get to close snatching that. (Myself included, but hopefully one day)

I know nothing about Olympic weightlifting! What makes snatching so unique and humbling? Aside: you don’t have to, but a one sentence definition of it would be awesome too - my lifting has been limited to the classic stuff, no fancy Olympic “bend and snap” stuff ;)

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Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by borski »

margalabargala wrote: post #108
dsr_ wrote: post #73

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Doing it once correctly is faster than doing it two (or more times) incorrectly. And when you try to go fast, it's usually by being incorrect and hoping that it won't matter this one time.

This is true only in cases where the correct way to do something is known. In the face of unknowns, it is frequently more efficient in terms of time to iterate multiple times as a method of exploring the space to determine proper paths forwards. SpaceX would be one example of this.

This isn’t an argument against iterating. It’s about iterating with intent, rather than iterating just for the sake of iterating.

Taking notes, making educated guesses and hypotheses, planning experiments that are adjusted based on what you learned in the prior ones, etc.? All examples of “slow and smooth.”

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by worthless-trash »

ceejayoz wrote: post #109
10u152 wrote: post #93

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Yes, but the description above has to be hyperbole. A 6.2 built athlete vs small woman...

Having wrangled toddlers, I'm entirely onboard with the idea that a smaller opponent fighting in unexpected ways can be surprisingly difficult to handle even with a clear weight and strength advantage.

Yeah, but this scenario assumes you want the toddler to live.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by borski »

w3gS34k354K7978 wrote: post #118
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #97

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I’ve been training jiu jitsu for over 6 years now. The myth of the 130 lb woman doing anything to the is overused and not true; unless the man is being a gentleman. I routinely get beaten by small women because I’m not a spazoid and I want my training partners to enjoy training with me. But if my life was on the line, there’s no way they could tap me. Not even a chance.

I can tell you it’s a real thing because it happened to me. 6’3” and at that time (19 or 20) was probably right around that 180lbs - no one would have described me as muscular back then though, just skinny more like it. Anyways, first day of training, the first thing the instructor did was assume I needed humble pie. Told me he wanted to see my baseline, said get in the cage, and called over the only female in the cl…

Some gyms have these “enforcers” and are into this sort of thing. I hate that so much.

Not everyone needs humbling. And I think that’s the point that people here are missing.

If someone walks in and is calm, respects the fact that the trained person has something they don’t, and so on… even as a skeptic they’ll be relatively fine, and won’t get “wrecked” in most places, at least not on purpose.

It’s the guys that walk in thinking they’re about to roll over everybody with their big muscles that get rocked. But they usually end up being great people; just that finding out how much you don’t know is extremely humbling, extremely fast.

And I respect that a lot of people don’t believe it. I honestly didn’t myself. I get that; I’m not trying to convince you.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by borski »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #97
borski wrote: post #18

This is one of the first really important lessons you learn in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Everyone walks in, day one, and is dumping adrenaline everywhere they look. I mean, the person in front of you is literally engaging you in practicing murder, so I get it. Everyone starts that way. Super tense, super shallow breathing, and everyone wears themselves out in about 30-40 seconds. Of a 6 minute round. Doesn’t matter if you…

I’ve been training jiu jitsu for over 6 years now. The myth of the 130 lb woman doing anything to the is overused and not true; unless the man is being a gentleman. I routinely get beaten by small women because I’m not a spazoid and I want my training partners to enjoy training with me. But if my life was on the line, there’s no way they could tap me. Not even a chance.

> I routinely get beaten by small women because I’m not a spazoid and I want my training partners to enjoy training with me.

This is not the kind of thing I’m talking about. Of course we all regularly get “beaten” by people with less skill and who are smaller, or bigger, or anything else - but I’m not talking about training with a partner or letting them practice a technique during a roll.

I’m talking about people that walk in with their egos very high and their skill very low. There are those who come in and are almost afraid to use any strength at all. Then there are those who believe that strength is all you need, so on their first few rolls they gas out immediately and then get rocked.

I’m not suggesting that two trained people of vastly different weight classes would be equally matched. That would be absurd.

Also, I’m not talking about your life being on the line. I’m talking about BJJ.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by rasz »

borski wrote: post #18

This is one of the first really important lessons you learn in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Everyone walks in, day one, and is dumping adrenaline everywhere they look. I mean, the person in front of you is literally engaging you in practicing murder, so I get it. Everyone starts that way. Super tense, super shallow breathing, and everyone wears themselves out in about 30-40 seconds. Of a 6 minute round. Doesn’t matter if you…

>130lb woman who just wipes the floor with him

in the dojo. IRL on the street adrenaline matters and fights end in first 5 seconds. You get stabbed or pushed/thrown/kicked in the face before you realize there was a fight about to happen.

What good is grappling with an opponent when his friend will just curb stomp you the second you both go to the ground?

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by borski »

rasz wrote: post #138
borski wrote: post #18

This is one of the first really important lessons you learn in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Everyone walks in, day one, and is dumping adrenaline everywhere they look. I mean, the person in front of you is literally engaging you in practicing murder, so I get it. Everyone starts that way. Super tense, super shallow breathing, and everyone wears themselves out in about 30-40 seconds. Of a 6 minute round. Doesn’t matter if you…

>130lb woman who just wipes the floor with him in the dojo. IRL on the street adrenaline matters and fights end in first 5 seconds. You get stabbed or pushed/thrown/kicked in the face before you realize there was a fight about to happen. What good is grappling with an opponent when his friend will just curb stomp you the second you both go to the ground?

This is the most common thing everyone loves to say whenever anyone says they study any martial art, and they use it as an excuse to study no martial arts, because "what's the point"

I never suggested that BJJ was going to be the only thing you should learn or know if you wanted to defend yourself in a fight. Cross training with some striking (muay thai, boxing, something) and/or weapons training? Sounds great, go for it.

To be clear: I have been in my fair share of fights, IRL. I've been stabbed twice. I grew up in Brooklyn and spent a lot of time in, well, less reputable bars and clubs. Most fights do not end in the first five seconds, and you should GTFO if you can, at all. Not fighting is the best way to win. If your opponent has friends with them, GTFO at any cost; that goes without saying. Most fights go to the ground, relatively quickly. When they do, taking their back and getting your hooks in is far better than mounting them, since you can absolutely control them from that position while someone else calls 911 and/or finds help to break up the fight you definitely didn't start, because starting fights is the fastest way to lose them.

As for "adrenaline matters" - this is explicitly why you train. It absolutely matters. But someone untrained will just spaz. Maybe they get lucky, maybe they don't; but they usually don't. Someone trained may not remember every single thing they know; but so much of it becomes instinctual that even with the adrenaline dump they are definitely not on their best game, but are still far more capable than the untrained individual. Furthermore, competing helps a lot with desensitizing yourself to the adrenaline dumps.

Also, "before you realize there was a fight about to happen" is not a thing. I have never been 'caught off guard,' because that is not how fights start. Yes, sometimes an idiot will throw a punch at a random person on the street; but that is absolutely not how most fights start. Well before a fight starts, you have already tried defusing the situation and de-escalating, because engaging is a last resort.

But sure, maybe their "friend will just curb stomp you" so you may as well just never try.

Re: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret

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Post by rasz »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #114
beau_g wrote: post #85

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Jiu Jitsu practitioners have incredible conditioning from repeating that exact same story of {guy who thought he was tough} being defeated by {unlikely protagonist} in any scenario they can shoehorn it into, with extreme enthusiasm

Pretty sure every martial art has a version of this tale. Either the old wizened master or a petite practitioner taking down the muscle bound action hero.

and most of it has a name - Bullshido.
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