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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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The language we humans use in casual conversation is a lot more fluid than that, you need to be able to deal with it.

Not when the language is used to accuse someone of a crime. He is no pirate, obviously. > He knowingly participated and basically tailored his products to pirating

Nor is piracy, in the literal sense, the crime he is accused of. So I'm not sure what you're up in arms about.

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Legally speaking, depends on the country.

Actually curious, in which country is what he did fully legal?

Probably nowhere, as many countries are fine with piracy/copyright violations until you start profiting from it: https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/b6rpzx/here_are_som...

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I am sure if youtube execs had emails showing that they were actively encouraging and participating in the posting of copyrighted material on the site they would have been prosecuted as well. Thats the evidence against Kim Dotcom, emails.

Funny you should say that, because there are literally such emails all the way up to Google's C-suite. They leaked a few years ago when Viacom sued them for mass copyright infringement on Youtube. In that case Google even tried to argue that it was ok because it's the content creator's and not the service's fault. When are they getting prosecuted? >Revealing e-mails and other internal communications unsealed Thursday…

Thank goodness that Google execs are too high-profile to be prosecuted!

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Humanism arose during the Renaissance, when scholars and artists gleefully cribbed from each other's work without attribution and copyright didn't even exist. It's perfectly fine to copy someone else's work. The immorality comes in when you start using physical force to punish people thinking thoughts you feel entitled to.

>when scholars and artists gleefully cribbed from each other's work without attribution and copyright didn't even exist This was also a time before mass copying and distribution on a massive scale.

This was also a time of wealthy patrons

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Catering to trillion dollar media companies is not exactly my idea of freedom.

Most people, not just trillion-dollar media companies, have at least some interest in seeing intellectual property protections enforced. You can argue that there's too much protection, or that it doesn't afford equal protection under the law for smaller parties.

Do they? I know for sure nobody in my circle of friends cares in the slightest if people pirate media from huge companies.

I don't think anyone other than Disney shareholders gives an iota of a damn if others pirate movies/shows/music from the big guys. And I especially don't think most people would seek extradition for a guy who hosted a piracy website, especially, that's the type of thing psychopathic execs and their ilk seem to be into. Especially someone who's not even a US citizen or has any affiliation with the US.

Also, keep in mind we're talking companies like Disney here, who are currently fighting a legal battle [1] because someone died due to their negligence and using the argument that agreeing to the T&C of their streaming service absolves them of wrongdoing in a person's death.

So yeah, don't expect anyone to feel sorry for the plight of the poor soulless megacorporation here, they'd destroy the earth if it made them half a nickel more in yearly profits.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8jl0ekjr0go

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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I wonder if people have forgotten the legal grounds on which the US claimed jurisdiction. I may be misremembering, but I think it was because megaupload.com was registered as a .COM, and the .COM top level domain is owned by Verisign, an American company, and therefore the US has jurisdiction over it. I guess one lesson from this is that running out of .COM domain names is not a bad thing, because it reduces the grip…

> I may be misremembering, but I think it was because megaupload.com was registered as a .COM, and the .COM top level domain is owned by Verisign, an American company, and therefore the US has jurisdiction over it. You are definitely misremembering and spreading FUD backed by your biases. He was hosting illegal material on servers geolocated inside the US. I'm sure if someone were producing and distributing illegal m…

Was he hosting illegal material, or simply creating a platform where such material could be held? If you post child porn on Facebook, I assume you would get sent to jail, not Mark Zuckerberg. It seems that Kim Dotcom is in a similar position.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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I wonder if people have forgotten the legal grounds on which the US claimed jurisdiction. I may be misremembering, but I think it was because megaupload.com was registered as a .COM, and the .COM top level domain is owned by Verisign, an American company, and therefore the US has jurisdiction over it. I guess one lesson from this is that running out of .COM domain names is not a bad thing, because it reduces the grip…

It doesn't really matter because, as the dominant world power and arbiter of the world's currency, the US can invent legal grounds to do pretty much anything to anyone.

The US government is so powerful, they are the only country that enforces a draconian global taxation scheme on any citizen or person who has ever held a US green card, even after they permanently leave the country. The US treasury will withhold the ability to transact in US Dollars from any country that does not report the holdings of US-adjacent persons every single year.

If you think you're out of reach of a country that treats their own citizens as criminals by default the minute they leave the country, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

>But people are superficial and tend to develop an "i'm the main character" personality

How on earth are you labeling the people persistent to a fault "superficial"???

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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I wonder if people have forgotten the legal grounds on which the US claimed jurisdiction. I may be misremembering, but I think it was because megaupload.com was registered as a .COM, and the .COM top level domain is owned by Verisign, an American company, and therefore the US has jurisdiction over it. I guess one lesson from this is that running out of .COM domain names is not a bad thing, because it reduces the grip…

It doesn't really matter because, as the dominant world power and arbiter of the world's currency, the US can invent legal grounds to do pretty much anything to anyone. The US government is so powerful, they are the only country that enforces a draconian global taxation scheme on any citizen or person who has ever held a US green card, even after they permanently leave the country. The US treasury will withhold the a…

> enforces a draconian global taxation scheme on any citizen or person who has ever held a US green card, even after they permanently leave.

That's not quite true. If you _return_ your green card ("abandon it"), you no longer have to pay taxes. This makes sense as a parallel to being a US citizen, who would pay taxes even if they lived abroad.

I'm not saying it's right, but we need to be accurate.

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