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Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 2:49 PM UTC

sensanaty wrote: post #285

consteval wrote: post #278

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> Jail for executives who approve or have knowledge of illegal activities sounds good to me. Life hack: make your activities so complex and distributed that it's impossible to tell who, exactly, is responsible for what. And then also just delete communications when you can.

Simple solution: You're held liable regardless of if you knew or not. It should be your responsibility to do everything possible within your power to make sure the company you're heading isn't committing illegal acts. If it is and you can't prove you tried everything you possibly can to have control over the situation, tough luck buddy. Maybe then the inflated CEO salaries will make some form of sense for once, inste…

> everything you possibly can

There will always be some bottom-feeding prosecutor willing to come up with absurd hypotheticals to ensure no one ever gets freed by this loophole.

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 2:50 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #157

mrcsharp wrote: post #145

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Don't forget the board. Top managers are made to break the law due to demands of infinite growth.

> Top managers are made to break the law due to demands of infinite growth No, they’re not.

[ citation needed ]

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by itishappy » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 2:50 PM UTC

n4r9 wrote: post #260

RIMR wrote: post #127

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A backwards clock is right 4 times a day. A clock running at 10,000 rpm is right 14,398,560 times a day.

The relevant metric is surely the proportion of time for which the clockhands are within epsilon of the correct value.

Pretty sure this metric will be constant (provided the hands aren't perfectly synced). The frequency of confluence is proportional to the difference in rates, but the duration is inversely proportional.

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/45k0rrjwo0

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 2:54 PM UTC

kube-system wrote: post #62

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #42

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Their modeling will penalize safe drivers who have to deal with non ideal scenarios. The OBD2 accelerometer modules are a bad idea when you live in an area where traffic and road design requires bursts of acceleration to make turns. You're going to be lumped in with the bad drivers when the data is not comprehensive enough to separate good from bad. Nor will they put in the effort to ensure fair driver ratings with t…

This already happens (probably more accurately) via other metrics. If you live in an area with poorly designed roads that cause more claims, you will be charged more because of your zip code.

That should also be illegal.

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by chefandy » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

zo1 wrote: post #242

chefandy wrote: post #230

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A far more direct consequence of the current situation is that these executives just do whatever the hell they want to maximize their profits at everybody else's expense. Without punishment enough to make it unprofitable, dishonesty only has incentives, on both business and personal level. I just don't see that twice-removed latent effect having worse consequences for society than the base problem. Not by a long shot…

This is the kind of thing I expect and want investigative journalists to write about and quiz politicians about non-stop, all the time. Instead they interview them about vacuous things like "ice cream", non-committal questions about policies, "initiatives" like DEI and corporate governance, and stuff so far removed from any concrete instance (like yours) that they can answer in vague non-answers that sound like answe…

Well Jimminy Crispix! Think about the consequences of what you're suggesting.

A) Reporting on serious topics takes a lot more effort than recycling news wire coverage and rehashing political argument trends on Twitter. That means having to collect more analytics data to sell, and charging more than a few dollars per month for subscriptions. Sheesh.

B) People find serious topics depressing: reporting on important things that might be uncomfortable or gross can only lead to lost clicks, subscriptions, and viewers.

C) Upper-management couldn't even try to replace such reporters with web-scraping LLMs. Think about the dozens of starving would-be prompt engineers who won't get hired to replace thousands of journalists. They have families to feed too, you know.

D) There's a good chance that someone in the C suite or someone they know will be put in a very uncomfortable situation because of this! Unacceptable.

What sort of dystopian business hellscape are you trying to lead us into?

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

xyst wrote: post #199

If every state sues GM, GM might go bankrupt. Then the American tax payers will be footing another bailout. Thus earning GM the moniker, Government Motors (again).

How about we don't bail them out this time?

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by _fat_santa » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 2:56 PM UTC

resource_waste wrote: post #275

Zombie company at it again! They are like Boeing. There isnt really anything worth saving here. Do we need another fake-luxury SUV/Truck company? Not that I think Ford is better. Chrysler is more yikes than anyone. Maybe a total replacement of management? There is so much Rot.

GM makes alot of dogshit products but their sports cars are still pretty stellar. Camaro LT1, Corvette C8, Cadillac CTS-V Blackwing

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by digging » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 3:17 PM UTC

akira2501 wrote: post #212

digging wrote: post #155

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> What value does this have? I'm literally trying to get him voted out because he gets rich harming people I care about. If you think an elected official working against the interests of the constituency is just going to naturally get voted out of office, I don't have the energy for the depth this conversation requires.

> he gets rich harming people I care about. Assertions of opinion as if they were fact is part of what makes me bristle. To do this and then act surprised that I might not exactly share your view and that it would take extreme energy on your part to continue is a bit churlish, don't you think? > If you think an elected official working against the interests of the constituency is just going to naturally get voted out…

> > he gets rich harming people I care about.

> Assertions of opinion as if they were fact

How is that an opinion? I stated what's happening as plainly as I could. I didn't say "him bad" - I said his work does harm to people I care about, which it does; and that he gets rich doing it, which he does. Those aren't opinions, they're facts. You can dispute that they're true facts, but calling them opinions does not make sense.

> I do think that.

Ok, well, that's unfortunate.

Re: Texas sues GM for unlawfully collecting and selling drivers' private data [pdf]

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Post by digging » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 3:21 PM UTC

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #215

digging wrote: post #155

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> What value does this have? I'm literally trying to get him voted out because he gets rich harming people I care about. If you think an elected official working against the interests of the constituency is just going to naturally get voted out of office, I don't have the energy for the depth this conversation requires.

> If you think an elected official working against the interests of the constituency is just going to naturally get voted out of office, I don't have the energy for the depth this conversation requires. Regardless of what you think that's exactly how democracy works. If enough of his constituency thinks he is working against their interests they will vote him out. Conversely, if enough of his constituency thinks he i…

> Regardless of what you think that's exactly how democracy works.

As I said, I can't continue this conversation. Our understandings are too far apart.

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Post by digging » Thu, Aug 15, 2024, 3:28 PM UTC

gottorf wrote: post #182

digging wrote: post #113

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Forcibly removing books (about very specific topics related to oppressed cultural minorities) from public school libraries is not the same thing as enacting a national ban on printing or trading those books, no. But it's a lot closer to a total ban than it is to not banning books. (And I stand by "forcibly," if you've seen any of the adults screaming at school board hearings or issuing threats over these books)

> oppressed cultural minorities What oppressed cultural minorities? Nearly the entirety of the media landscape outright celebrates LGBTQ, if that's what you're talking about. I'd be hard-pressed to think of a more exaggerated use of the word "oppression". Does the fact that you view this group as oppressed make a difference on whether such a ban is more or less valid?

> I'd be hard-pressed to think of a more exaggerated use of the word "oppression".

How fortunate for you, and how exhausting for the rest of us, that you live in such a world.

You're telling me you haven't even heard of the drag bans popping up all over the country? That's queer culture, if you couldn't tell. (It's also, since you probably won't notice this right away, a veiled instrument for criminalizing trans people.)