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Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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I'm very curious to see what a breakup looks like. Past breakups involved "uniform" businesses: - American Tobacco: Commodity - Standard Oil: Commodity - AT&T: Utility - Northern Securities: Railroads - Swift & Co: Meatpacking - Kodak: Film - Paramount: Movie Theaters Google is more of a synergistic conglomerate. How would spinning off an individual business like Chrome, Android, or AdWords reduce their respective do…

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Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public would have been against breaking up Standard Oil because they kept oil cheap.

Standard oil lacks the ability to shape the narrative that google has. If standard oil had control of the information space history would be very different. Not even Ma Bell had the power that google has

You couldn't even own a phone under Ma Bell.

Meanwhile just about every product Google has I can use someone else.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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I feel like the US should have serious conversations about it's regulation of monopolies, especially on internet giants. The current system seems to be woefully ineffective. On the one hand, it's not clear it's necessarily, Google isn't a particularly old company it hasn't had a strangle hold for long and it doesn't look like it's business is unassailable. So why go after it at all. On the other hand, the anti-monopoly moves have been slow and ineffective. When Microsoft finally got hit their crimes were pretty egregious and they actually never faced any consequences, the law suit they lost eventaully got turned over on appeal and by the time it was all resolved the market looked markedly different.

Isn't it time to think about either (a) just accepting that you give them a much wider birth or (b) be much faster and tactical in your enforcement. Not every monopoly case needs to result in a break up. If you could point at one bad thing Google did - maybe the Apple deal for example, get that in court quickly with fast penalties that don't require massive corporate interference maybe we would be better off.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #11

Part of the problem is that tech products tend to be natural monopolies. If you split android off Google, it will probably just lose out against iOS in the West and some Chinese Android version elsewhere. As the article says, that's not necessarily better.

The issue is that acquisitions have been allowed. We(EU, USA, whoever) should have put stop on that long time ago.

Maybe even demanded that certain too effective components were separated like adds. Or with Amazon retail from AWS.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #19

Japan tried to curb the Yakuza by enacting laws to specifically punish them. Not only it didn't work as well as they thought, but other criminals also flourished in the underworld by virtue of not being Yakuza. Whatever they do to go after Google must be really well thought and coordinated otherwise they will just be passing the crown to someone else a little bit smarter.

You're analogy isn't exactly good. In this case, other businesses flourishing is a good thing.

If you are specifically referring to Apple becoming an even bigger monopoly, that would be a bad thing but I think in the US they've already effectively won.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #4

1. Forbid Google from paying Apple and Android OEM’s to be the default search engine. Also, detach Google search from Android and forbid Google from forcing it to be included on every Android phone. 2. Give Google search competitors access to Google’s search data so these new AI search engine companies can compete. Without these huge amounts of data, they have no chance. Done!

Don't the court already did #1?

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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If what comes after is not better, then we waited too long to break this monopoly up. We either start ripping this band-aids off or we will just continually have a worse and worse internet.

It appears to me that your two paragraphs contradict each other. If we break up Google and what comes afterwards is worse, then break it up or we'll get worse? Is it worse if we do and worse if we don't? Which "worse" is worse?

Or do I misunderstand your point?

The whole point of breaking up monopolies is not moral principle. It's so that things get better for customers. If they don't, then what's the justification for breaking them up?

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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I agree that Google has an inordinate amount of power in the market and that it has to be restrained. That said, I do not like the 'better' qualifier here. It depends too much on who is reading it. Hell, it is not impossible average user will dislike the change ( but they always do).

Nonsense. It has no more power than Microsoft or Apple.
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