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Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #6

I think Google can win this easily by using the public opinion against the regulators. They just need to say that they are gonna start charging for all their services because without the level of integration they have it doesn't make sense to keep running businesses that otherwise would lose money.

Google would need to get public opinion on their side first.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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Yes, everybody is still super upset that Microsoft got hit by antitrust in 2001 and shifted heavily to B2B. We've really missed out on having more fantastic Microsoft software forcibly intertwined in our daily lives. I wish Microsoft owned all of desktop AND mobile computing AND the internet so I was forced to do everything via the fantastic Microsoft Windows!

Darn these regulators for trying to allow competitors to enter the market. Everybody knows, competition only makes things worse!

/s

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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How is Google more of a Monopoly than Microsoft?

How is google a monopoly at all? There’s competition and alternative for each of their products. And people can keep using the alternatives if they want.

I can choose iOS over Android. Bing over Google. Yahoo over Gmail. Dailymotion over YouTube.

Why is it a problem that google makes a superior product and people choose it ?

In all studies, when consumers get faced the decision to choose freely any search engine, most of them keep going back to google. Why is that a problem at all?

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #19

Japan tried to curb the Yakuza by enacting laws to specifically punish them. Not only it didn't work as well as they thought, but other criminals also flourished in the underworld by virtue of not being Yakuza. Whatever they do to go after Google must be really well thought and coordinated otherwise they will just be passing the crown to someone else a little bit smarter.

Sort of like what happened with Microsoft.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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Google's "search results" are the textbook definition of a monopolized good/service. The whole thing is almost a casino, rigged to the point of absurdity. There has been nothing in my life so disillusioning as working on a Web app for a company that is more or less required to play Google's game.

> There has been nothing in my life so disillusioning as working on a Web app for a company that is more or less required to play Google's game.

Have you built any iOS apps?

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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I'm very curious to see what a breakup looks like. Past breakups involved "uniform" businesses: - American Tobacco: Commodity - Standard Oil: Commodity - AT&T: Utility - Northern Securities: Railroads - Swift & Co: Meatpacking - Kodak: Film - Paramount: Movie Theaters Google is more of a synergistic conglomerate. How would spinning off an individual business like Chrome, Android, or AdWords reduce their respective do…

One of the potential remedies is to require Google to open source their crawling data. This should make it easier for others who want to build a competing search engine.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #6

I think Google can win this easily by using the public opinion against the regulators. They just need to say that they are gonna start charging for all their services because without the level of integration they have it doesn't make sense to keep running businesses that otherwise would lose money.

>I think Google can win this easily by using the public opinion against the regulators.

Apple levels of arrogance.

Apple tried the same approach when the EU was slapping them down with DMA and few were having it, calling Apple out for their immature responses delusionally thinking that because people were glued to their phones they would some how value that above their representative government.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly think that would have any effect beyond Gmail users? (those would really hurt) But otherwise I don't think an average non-tech person would be likely to notice a difference between Bing and Google. And ms, ddg, Kagi and perplexity would love to see lots of people actually looking for alternatives. Docs/sheets/pages/whatever wouldn't change since they're supported by the paying users. The rest, Google…

I’d pay for consumer tier (which we’ll pretend was the former free tier) if I got proper customer service number I could call. I don’t use it enough to pay for a business tier

Google One includes phone support.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #31

I'm very curious to see what a breakup looks like. Past breakups involved "uniform" businesses: - American Tobacco: Commodity - Standard Oil: Commodity - AT&T: Utility - Northern Securities: Railroads - Swift & Co: Meatpacking - Kodak: Film - Paramount: Movie Theaters Google is more of a synergistic conglomerate. How would spinning off an individual business like Chrome, Android, or AdWords reduce their respective do…

If they break up the ad business it could be helpful. Otherwise search and youtube are like you say synergistic and there is no obvious way to break them up.

Re: Google is a monopoly – the fix isn't obvious

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post #6

I think Google can win this easily by using the public opinion against the regulators. They just need to say that they are gonna start charging for all their services because without the level of integration they have it doesn't make sense to keep running businesses that otherwise would lose money.

I don't see this succeeding. Not only is tech extremely hateable as a demographic, not everyone is a corporate bootlicker (outside of this forum)
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