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Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by johnnyanmac »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #326
johnnyanmac wrote: post #267

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Why what should be? Why platforms with money pay people with no money? Why platforms with no money shut down? It's not a very fun answer. Google gets a lot of ads to pay then to shove ads down the consumer's throats, and they can do this with no risk of users migrating. They "should" get more money because they more effectly do this than news websites, which have failed to appeal to advertisers effectively enough. I…

No I’m asking why we should look at people who make video on YouTube differently than any other type of creator who publish elsewhere. The original post I was replying to said: > However as I mentioned in another reply in this thread, removing routes to monetisation and devaluing content in general (by making it be effectively a loss-leader for value-add sponsorships or memberships) will only have the effect of makin…

> I’m asking why we should look at people who make video on YouTube differently than any other type of creator who publish elsewhere.

I don't know who's "we" here. But that's simply psychological. You will look at [person who make lots of money] differently from [person who can barely cover rent], if only because the latter may need more help you may be able to give.

There's no "should" here. And influencers aren't limited to YouTube. all my answers come down to "because they are backed by a trillion dollar corporation"

>And my answer was that this is no different than any other type of creator online.

Maybe instead of "but no one else makes money" to drag down, we should change the lens to "let's reward other mediums for being high quality and throrougly researched" to boost up other mediums of creation.

Especially in a time where we are already getting so much slop and misinformation (and we're not even close to the worst of the storm). I'm sure you seen enough of the internet to know most people will just accept the slop and at best take years of introspection before they realize why quality matters (others never do).

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by sidewndr46 »

progforlyfe wrote: post #349
sidewndr46 wrote: post #339

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This is the same myths that everyone in advertising propagates. Such a belief purports that the effect of all advertising is measurable. It clearly is not. For example, someone sees your ad and decides your company is reprehensible. They were not a customer and they decide to never interact with your company. It's not possible to measure this. Anyone claiming it is holds what amounts to a religious belief. The "gener…

pretty sure YouTube ads are directly trackable though -- if someone clicks it and funnels through to a checkout process and pays, they have a direct report of how much they spent on the ad versus how much they made directly from that ad. YouTube in-video sponsorships are a different beast admittedly; however there is still some basic tracking through use of promo codes (Use code JOHN15 for 15% off). They can see a re…

You're spot on with "go down the path of something trackable". The next step is they assume everything they tracked represents all data for all possible outcomes. It can't.

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

ctm92 wrote: post #313
voidUpdate wrote: post #240

I still don't understand a lot of youtube advertising. Like for me, if I'm being advertised something, I instinctively don't trust it, because they're having to pay people to say good things about it rather than people who have used it telling me it's a good thing. And there are still so many sponsorships from places like BetterHelp, which has been known to be a scam for a while now, and Raid Shadow Legends, which is…

It's to get people to remember the name. What first comes to your mind when you are in need of a website builder? Squarespace. Want to make some PCBs? JLCPCB

My YouTube echo chamber directs me to pcbway. JLCPCB is clearly targeting a lower quality YouTube audience as I only watch sophisticated content creators whose stunning intellect make me feel comfortable in the products they endorse. I suggest you avoid JLCPCB on these grounds alone.

/s… at least I think :-)

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

voidUpdate wrote: post #329
ctm92 wrote: post #313

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It's to get people to remember the name. What first comes to your mind when you are in need of a website builder? Squarespace. Want to make some PCBs? JLCPCB

apache2/html/css, and I'm a little sceptical about pcbway/jlcpcb because the shipping times are nuts. I know its because they're coming from china but it makes me want to etch my own PCBs instead I now sort of want to see a video about PCB etching sponsored by either of those because it would make me laugh from the contradiction

The next project I build I want to try one of these services. The idea of a one-off PCB is pretty cool.

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Post by ndriscoll »

briandear wrote: post #140
tomjen3 wrote: post #17

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I first started to block ads for privacy and to prevent those that takes over the screen, but once you have blocked ads once, you start to enjoy the actual peace and ability to concentrate. Plus ads are for shitty products, since good products end up selling through recommendations and reviews.

How do those recommenders find out about a product in the first place? Advertising and PR is how that happens unless a person happens to be friends with the owner. Advertising facilitates discovery, reviews and recommendations facilitate sustained growth.

Apparently the average distance between any two Facebook users is less than 5, and that distance is presumably lower when you restrict to smaller localities like a country or city, so assuming that's a good measure of social connectedness, I'd expect news to travel fast if there's something interesting to say.

Somehow I doubt uBlock Origin or SponsorBlock run ads, for example, yet here we are all knowing about them, and allegedly somewhere around 1/3 of Internet users have an ad blocker.

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Post by yifanl »

gosub100 wrote: post #340
avhon1 wrote: post #234

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Your definition slightly off. Here it is from the guy who coined the term: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys > Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. Removing features is absolutely part o…

>Then, they die. Yeah, any day now YT is going to shut its doors.

You must have an incredible lack of imagination, the story of software is the story of mayflies.

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Post by chankstein38 »

kelnos wrote: post #117
chankstein38 wrote: post #75

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The thing that sucks is I pay for YouTube Premium to remove ads then youtubers always have sponsored segments. It makes my $20/mo useless because I'm spending time watching ads still. I don't have a solution I'm just stating my perspective on it. That said, SponsorBlock has been around for years. I've been using it for as long as I can remember. Basically any decent-sized channel's videos already have the sponsored s…

> I'm not sure why someone just posted it but we're well beyond SponsorBlock "taking off". Are we, though? Regular ad blockers are still only used by a minority of web browser users. I would be surprised if SponsorBlock has larger market share than that.

That's fair I just mean I was recommended it by someone and have recommended it to others. Mostly just expressing people know about it and it's been around a while not necessarily intending to assert that it's ubiquitous.

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Post by chankstein38 »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #206
chankstein38 wrote: post #75

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The thing that sucks is I pay for YouTube Premium to remove ads then youtubers always have sponsored segments. It makes my $20/mo useless because I'm spending time watching ads still. I don't have a solution I'm just stating my perspective on it. That said, SponsorBlock has been around for years. I've been using it for as long as I can remember. Basically any decent-sized channel's videos already have the sponsored s…

> That said, SponsorBlock has been around for years. I've been using it for as long as I can remember. Basically any decent-sized channel's videos already have the sponsored segment skipped. I'm not sure why someone just posted it but we're well beyond SponsorBlock "taking off". I was gonna post a similar comment but with the opposite conclusion: SponsorBlock has been around for years, and the people who are really a…

I think, to some degree, this was my sentiment as well just not stated as clearly. I meant to say basically "SponsorBlock has been around and I know of a couple people who use it so it's taken off but hasn't caused any kind of revolution" but have been dealing with somethings in life and I think just was short with my explanation.

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Post by barnabee »

matsemann wrote: post #325
voidUpdate wrote: post #284

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If I go to buy a new car, I'll look at the brands I have experience with, like what my friends and family drive. If I can actually see what its like and have people I trust endorse it, I'm more likely to support it

And people subconsciously trust people they interact with often, like content creators whose videos you watch. Most people think they're above being influenced by ads, but they're not.

> Most people think they're above being influenced by ads, but they're not.

Exactly why they should be illegal!

Allowing people to spend money manipulating us into giving them money so they can spend more manipulating us into… is mad.

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Post by barnabee »

noone_youknow wrote: post #16

As a YouTuber, I’m conflicted about this. My main channel (non-tech) is small, but is monetised, and YouTube see fit to throw me a _very_ variable amount of money every month. CPMs are down right now so revenue has tanked along with it, it’ll pick back up at some point, but the variability is itself the pain point. My videos are relatively expensive and time consuming to make, but people seem to find them useful, and…

> likely to kill off sponsorships as a whole, not just those bad ones.

I’d like to see this.

If creators make money it should be from YouTube handouts from Premium and paid subscriptions and/or creators seeking funding directly outside YouTube.

Having less “professional” content (and less content in general) is a reasonable price to pay to break our dependence on adtech and the “attention economy”.

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