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Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by schoen »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #271
voidUpdate wrote: post #240

I still don't understand a lot of youtube advertising. Like for me, if I'm being advertised something, I instinctively don't trust it, because they're having to pay people to say good things about it rather than people who have used it telling me it's a good thing. And there are still so many sponsorships from places like BetterHelp, which has been known to be a scam for a while now, and Raid Shadow Legends, which is…

I don't trust them either. The inherent conflicts of interest makes any advertising suspicious. They are guaranteed to be overstating the pros and understating the cons. "Sponsored segments" on youtube are nothing but normal advertising, they just permanently hardcoded the ads into the video instead. I don't like that they use the word "sponsors" for that. Sponsorships can be an ethical way to make money. Think Patre…

It might be a noncentral example of sponsorship, but it's been a traditional usage since the early days of television: "and now, a word from our sponsor".

Edit: actually, I think that phrasing arose in the early days of radio!

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by zelphirkalt »

voidUpdate wrote: post #263
bugtodiffer wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I understand how this feeling is unjustified Every company you listed is bad. NordVPN wasn't caught yet, but it's to good to be true and ALWAYS having 73% off is illegal marketing. Betterhelp sold data to facebook to retarget you with ads. SquareSpace had a security issue were entering the email of an old, not yet migrated account, was instant account takeover... how does this slip through security reviews? Everyth…

The thing about nordVPN (and VPN services in general) is they always talk about how funneling all your traffic through them makes it more secure and it means that governments cant spy on you and whatever. But sending all your traffic through a single point of failure seems like a bad idea from a government protection view, and how is it any more secure than https? The only thing that I've seen it be good for is makin…

But people are usually funnelling all their traffic through a single point of failure anyway: Their ISP. If your ISP is known to be bad, then it could be better to choose a good VPN service.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by voidUpdate »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #322
voidUpdate wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing about nordVPN (and VPN services in general) is they always talk about how funneling all your traffic through them makes it more secure and it means that governments cant spy on you and whatever. But sending all your traffic through a single point of failure seems like a bad idea from a government protection view, and how is it any more secure than https? The only thing that I've seen it be good for is makin…

But people are usually funnelling all their traffic through a single point of failure anyway: Their ISP. If your ISP is known to be bad, then it could be better to choose a good VPN service.

And you'd better hope its a good VPN service since now you're sending all your traffic through that single point instead

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by matsemann »

voidUpdate wrote: post #284
matsemann wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehh, if you go to buy a new car, will you buy a brand you've never heard of before? Or will you perhaps check out the brand you've seen ads for a hundred times in your life? It's not a conscious decision, your mind is familiar with some of the brands more than others, for whatever reason, and that tricks you into trust. Sure, you still might look into reviews and stuff, but your mind has already been primed to some e…

If I go to buy a new car, I'll look at the brands I have experience with, like what my friends and family drive. If I can actually see what its like and have people I trust endorse it, I'm more likely to support it

And people subconsciously trust people they interact with often, like content creators whose videos you watch. Most people think they're above being influenced by ads, but they're not.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by manuelmoreale »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #267
manuelmoreale wrote: post #223

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I’m not asking why it is. I’m asking why it should be.

Why what should be? Why platforms with money pay people with no money? Why platforms with no money shut down? It's not a very fun answer. Google gets a lot of ads to pay then to shove ads down the consumer's throats, and they can do this with no risk of users migrating. They "should" get more money because they more effectly do this than news websites, which have failed to appeal to advertisers effectively enough. I…

No I’m asking why we should look at people who make video on YouTube differently than any other type of creator who publish elsewhere.

The original post I was replying to said:

> However as I mentioned in another reply in this thread, removing routes to monetisation and devaluing content in general (by making it be effectively a loss-leader for value-add sponsorships or memberships) will only have the effect of making YouTube non-viable for many, and especially those who necessarily have higher production values to make better quality (I’m thinking more thoroughly-researched, more interesting, that sort of thing) content.

And my answer was that this is no different than any other type of creator online.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by mschuster91 »

dnissley wrote: post #142
mschuster91 wrote: post #112

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> but they couldn't stop creators and users from going to other platforms where they allow sponsored segments It's not like there are many viable competitors, at least for long form videos.

If youtube stopped allowing sponsored segments that puts pressure on the market to produce such a thing. Even now creators are trying to come up with alternatives. Nothing has panned out, but something like stopping sponsored segments could very well tip a large number of people who want to get paid to find another way to get paid.

So what, even despite high-profile creators such as Practical Engineering constantly pushing for Nebula (the largest of them), it's still a fraction of their YouTube following.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by voidUpdate »

matsemann wrote: post #325
voidUpdate wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I go to buy a new car, I'll look at the brands I have experience with, like what my friends and family drive. If I can actually see what its like and have people I trust endorse it, I'm more likely to support it

And people subconsciously trust people they interact with often, like content creators whose videos you watch. Most people think they're above being influenced by ads, but they're not.

I barely interact with content creators. They don't reply to my comments very much, and even if they did, they'd still say they 100% support the thing they're being paid to say nice things about. I cant have a genuine conversation with them about the thing, how good it is, what the downsides are etc. See Kyle hill's vaguely recent video about scientific misconduct where they also advertise BetterHelp. The comments section was overwhelmingly negative about it, and their response was essentially "cry about it."

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by voidUpdate »

ctm92 wrote: post #313
voidUpdate wrote: post #240

I still don't understand a lot of youtube advertising. Like for me, if I'm being advertised something, I instinctively don't trust it, because they're having to pay people to say good things about it rather than people who have used it telling me it's a good thing. And there are still so many sponsorships from places like BetterHelp, which has been known to be a scam for a while now, and Raid Shadow Legends, which is…

It's to get people to remember the name. What first comes to your mind when you are in need of a website builder? Squarespace. Want to make some PCBs? JLCPCB

apache2/html/css, and I'm a little sceptical about pcbway/jlcpcb because the shipping times are nuts. I know its because they're coming from china but it makes me want to etch my own PCBs instead

I now sort of want to see a video about PCB etching sponsored by either of those because it would make me laugh from the contradiction

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by ok_dad »

jeffhuys wrote: post #256
ok_dad wrote: post #242

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What's the alternative to ads? I pay for YouTube premium, and I just mute the sponsor segment ads in videos. I get good information and entertainment from those video creators, so I would like them to get paid to continue doing it.

The sponsors don't pay less if you skip the segment. They won't know.

There’s some data available for this in the YouTube dashboard, actually.
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