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Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by throw10920 »

rchaud wrote: post #66
lrvick wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a free web if the creators I watch are being paid off to promote and never criticize corpos in their industry. Block all ads of all kinds. I do not want to watch advertizer os sponsor friendly creators. I want people talking to me honestly like they might off camera. We must switch to micro transaction pay-per-view model like LBRY to eliminate all ads and ensure creators get paid better without having their…

Microtransactions won't fix this, for the same reason that paid cable channels and newspapers still show ads. The temptation to double-dip is too great.

This is a terrible argument.

First, it can be unproductively applied to any monetization system - you can always say that the temptation will still exist to double-dip.

Second, because it's ignoring the fact that if you want to get rid of ads, you have to replace them with something else.

And third, it's only partially true - microtransactions will make the ad problem better, because ad display by small creators is partially driven by the need to make a living. Once that living is met, the pressure to also display ads gets significantly reduced.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by dnissley »

mschuster91 wrote: post #112
dnissley wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could stop sponsored segments, but they couldn't stop creators and users from going to other platforms where they allow sponsored segments. They have far less control than e.g. Apple with the app store (where they literally can stop other app stores from ever coming into being, barring regulation that changes that).

> but they couldn't stop creators and users from going to other platforms where they allow sponsored segments It's not like there are many viable competitors, at least for long form videos.

If youtube stopped allowing sponsored segments that puts pressure on the market to produce such a thing. Even now creators are trying to come up with alternatives. Nothing has panned out, but something like stopping sponsored segments could very well tip a large number of people who want to get paid to find another way to get paid.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by aqfamnzc »

seanw444 wrote: post #71
wanderingmind wrote: post #49

Sponsorblock is not as blunt a tool as people make it here. You can only block specific type of ads and you can whitelist whole channels which I do for some niche channels I subscribe to. In Android, I use Tubular [1], the NewPipe fork that integrates Sponsorblock and ReturnYoutube Dislike. My only additional request in this awesome app is if we can download the video after snipping out the sponsor block sections. [1…

I've been using NewPipe X which is very similar, but now has comment reply viewing, which I really value. Does Tubular have that now?

Yes, they added comment replies functionality a little while ago.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by pino82 »

lrvick wrote: post #38
noone_youknow wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I totally get that. I’m no fan of being advertised to myself and as a premium subscriber I do find sponsor segments - especially poorly-places ones - just as annoying as everyone else when watching YouTube - which is why I said I was conflicted in my earlier comment. However as I mentioned in another reply in this thread, removing routes to monetisation and devaluing content in general (by making it be effectiv…

Making YouTube non-viable is the entire point. Google should not be the gatekeeper for the world's content, or get to decide who wins and loses in a rat race trying to keep up with algorithms built to keep users addicted to low quality advertizer friendly content. The end game of ad blocking tech is to make ads a non viable source of revenue so creators will move on to ethical platforms like LBRY or peertube where cr…

Exactly that. But surprisingly, although I'd consider it as a trivial insight, we're living in a world that just doesn't want to understand that.

And while YT is a lot about casual nonsense, there are other big tech walled gardens, where content fights against some corporate-controlled algorithms, but the content is our entire public discourse nowadays. :( And people still do not want to understand what a terribly bad idea that is...

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by pino82 »

eropple wrote: post #119
lrvick wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making YouTube non-viable is the entire point. Google should not be the gatekeeper for the world's content, or get to decide who wins and loses in a rat race trying to keep up with algorithms built to keep users addicted to low quality advertizer friendly content. The end game of ad blocking tech is to make ads a non viable source of revenue so creators will move on to ethical platforms like LBRY or peertube where cr…

These are platforms with worse availability and worse affordances, ranging to nonfunctional once you're on a mobile device. Adblocking technology isn't going to make them better. Making them better is going to make them better, but the unit economics remain not in their favor. A more likely future is less video rather than people move to PeerTube and shake an upturned hat for donations . Which doesn't bother me much,…

> A more likely future is less video

You mean I could get a f...ing text again about things, which I could just read at my own speed, skip back and forth by just moving my eyes, use the search function, skip pieces of it, etc etc, in just two minutes instead of ten minutes watching a video clip for the most trivial statements?

What a baaad world that would be...

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by rchaud »

throw10920 wrote: post #141
rchaud wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microtransactions won't fix this, for the same reason that paid cable channels and newspapers still show ads. The temptation to double-dip is too great.

This is a terrible argument. First, it can be unproductively applied to any monetization system - you can always say that the temptation will still exist to double-dip. Second, because it's ignoring the fact that if you want to get rid of ads, you have to replace them with something else. And third, it's only partially true - microtransactions will make the ad problem better, because ad display by small creators is p…

> First, it can be unproductively applied to any monetization system - you can always say that the temptation will still exist to double-dip.

That's capitalism. The Uber app was a straightforward experience, until they started loading it up with ads and tip screens. Paid Hulu and Netflix tiers have ads too, when previously they didn't.

If that's a "terrible argument", there should be numerous counterexamples of companies doing the opposite.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #22

For anyone using an Android phone, the ReVanced[1] patches for the YouTube app (formerly just YouTube Vanced) applies both an adblock and SponsorBlock, on top of various other convenience features. You'll need to provide your own YouTube APK file to patch. I'll never go back to using non-Vanced YouTube ever again. Advertisements are a blight on this world. They are the reason for marketing and sales budgets being qua…

The only thing that moved me on from using (Re)Vanced was setting up my own Invidious instance, and using the Clipious app (F-Droid store) to access it.

Clipious, by default, connects to public instances of Invidious, so you can try it out without having to setup your own instance.

ReVanced remains my backup option, however.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by joshvm »

PeterStuer wrote: post #25
noone_youknow wrote: post #16

As a YouTuber, I’m conflicted about this. My main channel (non-tech) is small, but is monetised, and YouTube see fit to throw me a _very_ variable amount of money every month. CPMs are down right now so revenue has tanked along with it, it’ll pick back up at some point, but the variability is itself the pain point. My videos are relatively expensive and time consuming to make, but people seem to find them useful, and…

Let me state upfront I do understand the desire to make money from a channel, and much of the YT content I enjoy would not exist if that was not possible. But allow me to make a few hopefully nuanced remarks. First of all it is not just the VPNs. Briliants, RSLs etc. that annoy, it is all sponsor reads. Even those channels that try to be creative with it, there's only so many times you can be funny about it, and then…

I've mentioned this in the past but I mind sponsorship a lot less when it's highly relevant for the channel. For example a lot of engineering channels are sponsored by JLPCB who provided machining services or PCBs for the project video - that makes sense.

Coffee influencers selling me NordVPN on a video about grinder particle size distribution does not.

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