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"Unlock Gemini Advanced for a year on us ($239 value)" Who thinks they are booking phone sales as AI revenue to juice the numbers?

It’s total trash AI. I keep forgetting to unsubscribe. Can’t do anything.

In the Google Pixel 2024 Keynote, one of the presenters, Dave Citron, had to try three times to get Gemini to perform the preapproved, practiced demonstration task - 33.3% success rate for something that Google KNOWS will work.

see https://www.youtube.com/live/N_y2tP9of8A?t=1692

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Serious case of sticker shock here. My current Android phone was free from the provider in exchange for buying around 3 months of service in advance. It is no speed demon but certainly does all of your average phone stuff just fine.

I absolutely refuse to pay for a phone; call me old-school, but I am still stuck in the memory of the days when they came 'free' with service contracts. Me? I will happily take a slightly outdated phone with a new provider/contract where I don't pay anything on top of the expected monthly fee. I have 8 months left on my iPhone13 mini (128GB) w/VZW and will happily change to one of the other Big Threes to make it happ…

This is literally still how it works. Instead of a contract you have a device payment plan where you're defacto locked into the carrier because if you leave you owe the balance on your smartphone.

The trade-in and switching deals are all done as bill credits so that you are locked in for 2 or 3 years.

If you are using a big three cell carriers with the unlimited postpaid plans and aren't getting a brand new latest model Pro phone for free you are throwing your money out the window, because you're still paying for the phone in your higher plan price.

You will almost certainly save money if you buy the device yourself and use an MVNO instead of the big three postpaid plans. Especially if you buy the device used after it depreciates for a year or two.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMHO all Pixel phones are just developer devices and you can't seriously use them as daily drivers. I've had Pixel 3XL, Pixel 5, Pixel 8, and Pixel Tablet all without issue. I realize that can't be everyone's experience, but the idea that you can't "seriously use" these devices is untrue.

Really? The Pixel 8, my first Pixel, shipped without working USB webcam support, which was one of the advertised launch features. To actually get that feature you had to switch to the beta release track, which of course broke lots of the other things on the phone. Notable things that have been broken for a month or more on the beta track since I owned a Pixel 8 include tap to pay and the unlock screen.

So you think there should be more testing so the testing track is stable?

I worked on Pixel, left Google in October. I agree vehemently with what you're saying, its just, you're barking up the wrong tree on a couple different levels, the easy one above, and a more difficult one below.

Management did what you wanted a few years back, #1 and #2 and #3 priorities were "stability above all else" since Pixel 6.

This unfortunately didn't do anything in practice, other than enable newly minted middle managers to punch down, hoard work[1], and hide poor decision making and lying easily.[2] Net negative effect on product of course.

What managers wanted to legislate was "care about your features", but I observed over years that you simply can't enforce that. Ironically, given the above behavior from the new management layer, people got more detached. Unit test coverage went up, I'd bet, which is also a lesson in unit tests have significantly diminishing returns. E2E tests are hard and flaky, but they pay 100x dividends in these situations.

What you want to legislate is the truffle hunting that lowest level management does is bad. i.e. say we can definitely do whatever pet thing some guy 3 levels up says we need to copy from iOS this year. Then, hold it back because it's not done, but still announce it. Then, layer on a special process to get you on the betas to get the feature you thought you were buying. All of this keeps each individual happy and yet, remarkably, leads us directly back to the initial situation we were trying to fix.

From all this, you can also derive why things only launch, and never improve (tl;dr: management has 0 incentive to do anything other than latch onto the latest vague ask / iOS copying from above)

[1] Estimate everything takes 3-5x engineers it did 3 years ago. it's a huge win: I'm managing this team because I did it myself 3 years ago, so this makes clear what a talented engineer I was/am. When I solely listen to the vague asks from people 3 steps above, they'll want to give me the headcount I need to get their pet project done, so this gives me more reports. My compensation scales with report count. And if the estimate is questioned in any depth, well, we're making sure we have enough to deliver this Priority™ at high Quality™. Also, no one is going to question it anyway, my manager made me a manager because they trust me.

[2] it's very easy to work around blatant irresponsibility by flipping it into "the guy lower on the totem pole is insufficiently committed to quality and collaboration [taking forever to do anything]"

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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So, if I understand correctly this “built-in” Gemini is 100% just calling to the Gemini cloud backend? Honestly, Apple Intelligence is looking much better than this. But I suppose it’s no wonder, I don’t think Pixels are a large market for Google, while iPhones kind of are for Apple.

No, it's not all just calling to a cloud backend. The newer Pixels have hardware to do some stuff on-board, including non-trivial stuff like realtime audio cleanup (that works amazingly btw). STT and TTS are done mostly locally as well (with some cloud processing used when network connection is available), but can work all offline. The Gemini Advanced stuff is going to the cloud though.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Pixel 9 also says satellite emergency support ("Satellite SOS"). Search for info gets you to https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/15254448?hl=en&... It looks like it's coming "later this year". Lots of chatter about it, see a few details at https://www.androidauthority.com/pixel-9-satellite-sos-34676... * apparently coming with android 15, but they are shipping android 14 * turning on satellite sos later, but…

Only works in the US and not even in all states. Ridiculous. What's the point of satellites to then be so geo-restricted?

Regulations don't much care about what's technically possible.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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One of the big problems with Pixel phones is their lack of thorough testing. You upgrade and suddenly you encounter strange Bluetooth issues, call problems, or other features that were working fine before but suddenly stop functioning. Tons of people will be complaining about this in forums, and you won't receive any updates to fix them for months. IMHO all Pixel phones are just developer devices and you can't seriou…

Nice to see they haven't changed anything from the Nexus 5 days. I purposely stayed on the official firmware in the hopes that I would have a seamless experience. The day before an epic trip around Europe, I upgraded to the latest version. It broke video recording so that all videos had garbled audio. Ruined priceless memories. Meanwhile my friend's iPhone 5 was operating perfectly fine and wasn't always running out of battery like the Nexus was. After the trip, I had enough and bought a used iPhone. That was the last time I ever considered Android. This also turned me into a die hard Mac user. Can't believe I wasted years of my life trying to make Linux and Windows work when I could have just used a Mac.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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I'm kind of sad that the world seems to have given up on the smaller phones. The marketing of the masculine hand holding the larger phone is amusing to me, and I can understand wanting to have a larger screen. I do not like the amount of space these things take in my pocket, though.

Perhaps they're catering to people with different hand sizes and gender is not a factor?

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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post #183

I'm kind of sad that the world seems to have given up on the smaller phones. The marketing of the masculine hand holding the larger phone is amusing to me, and I can understand wanting to have a larger screen. I do not like the amount of space these things take in my pocket, though.

I can see wanting a smaller phone. That is an underserved market segment. But implying that phone marketing is patriarchy-driven is laughably absurd. Marketing for phones is probably more diverse and carefully balanced than for any other product category.

I didn't read patriarchy on the original comment.

I read that they need to use gigantic manly man hands for the gigantic phones, because otherwise people would realize that it's a "two-handed" phone for most of us mere mortals, that's impossible to use with one hand for anything but the most basic tasks.

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