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Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

paulnpace wrote: post #126
ein0p wrote: post #124

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Glyphosate is far less harmful than any herbicide that was in use before it. That’s why researchers have such a hard time linking it to diseases except in farmers who spray literal metric tons of the stuff. But glyphosate is a red herring - the real nasty shit that is harmful are not herbicides, but pesticides. And what was in use in 70s and 80s is nightmare fuel.

That "nasty shit" wasn't in my sheets and underwear and didn't coat the surface of the Earth. The issues related to claims can be equally attributed to the massive funding of even journals, themselves, plus a nearly unlimited budget to fight everything in courts and out-of-court settlements with gag orders - nearly every dirty trick a corporation can do has been done to protect the producers of glyphosate.

> nearly every dirty trick a corporation can do has been done to protect the producers of glyphosate

Glyphosate is perfectly safe, we just don’t have a scientifically literate population. The nasty stuff in Roundup are the surfactants.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

_heimdall wrote: post #117
bognition wrote: post #3

It feels like everyday a new paper is published showing either massive levels of compounds that interfere with endocrine system in the blood. Microplastics, being the biggest one. So when I see headlines like this, "Cancer is up in young people." I can't help but sigh and think, this is expected. I'm not sure what the right course of action here is, but do we really want to continue with a model where we continue pum…

> I'm not sure what the right course of action here is, but do we really want to continue with a model where we continue pumping new and unknown compounds into our bodies and the ecosystem with little thought to the downstream impacts? Well based on how people act, yes I do think we're happy to continue to pump new and unknown compounds into our bodies. Just take Covid vaccines and Ozempic as recent examples. I'm not…

> we all must agree they were new and unknown

GLP-1 agonists have been on the market for 20+ years. They’ve been studied for longer.

Meanwhile, lead has a millenia-old track record.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by _heimdall »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142
_heimdall wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure what the right course of action here is, but do we really want to continue with a model where we continue pumping new and unknown compounds into our bodies and the ecosystem with little thought to the downstream impacts? Well based on how people act, yes I do think we're happy to continue to pump new and unknown compounds into our bodies. Just take Covid vaccines and Ozempic as recent examples. I'm not…

> we all must agree they were new and unknown GLP-1 agonists have been on the market for 20+ years. They’ve been studied for longer. Meanwhile, lead has a millenia-old track record.

Semaglutide (Ozempic) was first tested in 2008 if I'm not mistaken, those trials were for type II diabetes. It was only tested for obesity in 2021.

Its reasonable to expect that any serious side effects would hit you whether you are diabetic or obese. The concern I have is how many people are taking it today for cosmetic or vanity reasons rather than because they are morbidly obese and nothing else has worked.

We do know thanks to trials that it seemed safe and effective when tested on a few thousand people. We don't know what happens when someone takes it for decades, or the rest of their life.

I am absolutely not saying there are known side effects that make it more dangerous than what they put on the box. But it is a new and unknown medication being used by a pretty large population today. More importantly to my original point, those taking it almost certainly didn't read the medical research first so it is an unknown to them.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by carbine »

dv_dt wrote: post #140
carbine wrote: post #137

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lung cancer in young people who are non smokers is going up though

I wonder of vaping falls in the category of non-smoking. It really should have it's own category now I suppose.

medically no, i believe vaping counts as smoking

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by dv_dt »

carbine wrote: post #144
dv_dt wrote: post #140

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I wonder of vaping falls in the category of non-smoking. It really should have it's own category now I suppose.

medically no, i believe vaping counts as smoking

If a patient is asked do they smoke, and they vape but don't smoke, I'm thinking that most will answer that they do not smoke.

Heres a thought: Data wise, lumping vaping with smoking is a favor to vaping manufacturers who resist stricter regulations. It lets them hide behind an argument that its safer while not showing what the actual risk is vs not doing it at all.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by 7thaccount »

nielsbot wrote: post #39
7thaccount wrote: post #23

My sister had to do a double mastectomy at 35 and almost died on so many occasions throughout the process during the chemotherapy. It's absolutely terrifying.

That is terrifying... I hope she's ok now... :(

She's done the reconstructive surgery now and seems to be handling it well. That last year must have been living hell.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by paulnpace »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #141
paulnpace wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That "nasty shit" wasn't in my sheets and underwear and didn't coat the surface of the Earth. The issues related to claims can be equally attributed to the massive funding of even journals, themselves, plus a nearly unlimited budget to fight everything in courts and out-of-court settlements with gag orders - nearly every dirty trick a corporation can do has been done to protect the producers of glyphosate.

> nearly every dirty trick a corporation can do has been done to protect the producers of glyphosate Glyphosate is perfectly safe, we just don’t have a scientifically literate population. The nasty stuff in Roundup are the surfactants.

Something that has become clear to me over the years is that when we go one by one through all of the things that were not present in my youth, it is impossible that any of these things could be a cause of anything bad because the scientifically literate people tell me so.

Yet, here we are, with each generation following the Baby Boomers seeing higher mortality (and many other negative medical condition) rates than the previous generations. I guess it's just something else that we can't detect.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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dev_throw wrote: post #66
Dig1t wrote: post #52

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What made you suspect it? What symptoms did you have?

Irregular bowel movements, cramps that I couldn't attribute to what I ate, inexplicable fatigue. Eventually it was a bright red blood in stool which made me force my doctor to take it seriously.

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Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by caeril »

lelandfe wrote: post #135
dev_throw wrote: post #66

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Irregular bowel movements, cramps that I couldn't attribute to what I ate, inexplicable fatigue. Eventually it was a bright red blood in stool which made me force my doctor to take it seriously.

Welp. This sounds like me. Time to talk to my doctor. I’ve been nervous to.

Be careful with this, or at least scaring/stressing yourself with this. Fresh (bright red) blood in stool is 95% of the time hemorrhoids. Most colon cancers will present with old (very dark red, or black) blood in stool.

Re: Cancer rates are rising in young people

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Post by caeril »

Magi604 wrote: post #87
grubbs wrote: post #79

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Jesus - you had to force your doc to take it seriously? Like beg for a colonoscopy or something?

My doctors have been like that too. I have to pull their teeth when I want some sort of screening done or want to see a specialist, but because I'm relatively fit, healthy, with no family history of anything "bad", they say my risk of things is low. I don't care. I just want peace of mind. Cost isn't even an issue, I would be willing to pay a decent sum to get regular screenings so I'm not blindsided with some stage…

Is it doctors, or is it medical administrations reluctant to deal with "selling" your insurance provider on covering you for a service?

At least in the US, I've found that if you're paying cash up-front, you can shop around for what you want, without referrals, and without this kind of hesitation.

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