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Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by pmarreck »

vijucat wrote: post #95

If I'm fiddling with the terminal or the font, I know it's because I'm procrastinating. I've trained myself to quickly recognize such side-quests and feel a quick punch of hormonal urgency, which helps me get back to work (with mintty and Consolas). You don't need the bells and whistles.

That's correct if it's always or very often your M.O., but if you rarely mess with it? How about if you spend some time fixing any annoyances that have accrued over time thanks to "involuntary unpaid vacation time"?

For example, I recently reduced my terminal startup time to 1/3 what it was by putting in some optimizations. I'll be able to benefit from that for basically forever.

... Ah, you develop on Windows? This tracks, then... All productivity, no aesthetics >..<

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by eredengrin »

globular-toast wrote: post #26

A problem I have when I see stuff like this with tabbed interfaces, splitting etc. is it's all at the wrong level of abstraction and compensating for a hopelessly deficient window manager. If you use a window manager like sway then you can layout tabs, splits etc. to your heart's content for any type of window you like. You don't need a terminal emulator to do this for you. Given that I do already use a window manage…

Wezterm has built in ssh support where if you open a wezterm ssh window to a remote host and then open new tabs/splits within that window, the new tabs/splits are added as part of the existing ssh session automatically. It also allows you to host the session on the remote machine (kind of like tmux) and when you connect you get back all your previous tab/split organizations. From that perspective it can make sense to have the terminal own the layout organization.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by evandrofisico »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #118
bdhcuidbebe wrote: post #16

Whats not to like of wezterm?? My favorite and often overlooked feature is that wezterm is fully cross os, so if you work like me in Linux, macOS and Windows, then you can just learn wezterm and be done. I even share large parts of my terminal config across os:es.

The one thing I don't like about WezTerm, at least the reason why I stopped using it, is related to how it handles copying wrapped lines into the clipboard. It might just be me, and how I use tmux, but I found that when copying a line that gets wrapped, it includes a newline in the copied text. Very annoying, and I think it has to do with the interaction between WezTerm and tmux. I don't have enough evidence to creat…

It's not tmux specific, i have had the same issue and for me, it was a showstopper.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by adem »

eviks wrote: post #63
adem wrote: post #41

I tried WezTerm on Windows because I was looking for a terminal with ligature support and lower input latency than Windows Terminal. Unfortunately, it still had higher input latency than cmd.exe. The only terminal with ligature support that comes close in terms of input latency is contour ( https://contour-terminal.org/ ).

did you measure latency? Curious as to how big the difference is

I can't provide you with numbers but back when I used Windows on my work machine, I recorded my screen + microphone input using OBS to compare they recorded keystroke sound and appearance of the character on my screen. I was able to confirm my suspicion in that WezTerm yielded higher input latency. This was especially noticeable when using helix inside of WSL - movement in normal mode would always sort of lag behind the keystrokes.

EDIT: Just installed in on my Mac and here, I can't notice any difference between kitty (my current input latency baseline) and WezTerm. Good stuff! Not sure how Windows fares nowadays, though.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by blt »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #111
Barrin92 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's where the language choices really matter I think. Lua as a programmable configuration language shines because it makes it quite easy to make environment specific changes. Also I think underrated side effect of Rust. A lot of the modern rust tooling has great cross platform support probably because there's a good abstraction layer between language and OS.

Isn’t that more just any language not C or C++? Go, Rust, Java, Python, etc all abstract away significant OS specifics. There are always going to be some thorny differences, but any modern language makes cross compatibility possible in a way that is more challenging for C.

It's not just the language/library: build systems are also a big obstacle for x-platform GUI apps in C.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by vijucat »

pmarreck wrote: post #151
vijucat wrote: post #95

If I'm fiddling with the terminal or the font, I know it's because I'm procrastinating. I've trained myself to quickly recognize such side-quests and feel a quick punch of hormonal urgency, which helps me get back to work (with mintty and Consolas). You don't need the bells and whistles.

That's correct if it's always or very often your M.O., but if you rarely mess with it? How about if you spend some time fixing any annoyances that have accrued over time thanks to "involuntary unpaid vacation time"? For example, I recently reduced my terminal startup time to 1/3 what it was by putting in some optimizations. I'll be able to benefit from that for basically forever. ... Ah, you develop on Windows? This…

As an aside, I'm surprised how Apple fans think they're the one with the aesthetics advantage when their Lord and Master allowed them to change the color of their menu bar in...2023? :)

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by bee_rider »

teamspirit wrote: post #135
bee_rider wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are start-up times? I mostly like kitty but I’ve noticed that it takes a couple seconds to start up when I put my cpu down to 400Mhz. (Which might seem like an odd thing to do, but xterm handles it fine and, hey, why do we need billions of clock cycles to start up a terminal? That’s ridiculous).

Just out of curiosity, what reason do you have to do that? Really curious to hear.

400 is a bit extreme, it is as low as my clock will go. But I often go down to 1200 or 800.

I have an OLED screen and mostly use black background terminals, so I can get some pretty decent battery life out of it, especially at night when I dim the screen.

Dim/red shift/slow CPU is a nice low-distraction night time mode IMO.

Plus it is keeps my palms comfortable even if I accidentally run a computationally intensive code.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by michael_michael »

core_dumped wrote: post #155

I’m glad WezTerm is getting the attention it deserves. I just wish he’d change the icon though… it needs a facelift!

Yeah. I wish subtle design cues didn't turn folks off from useful software. That said, when I was test driving terminals a few months ago, I saw WezTerm and just skipped it because the main image shows the opacity-enabled terminal with a Cyberpunk image in the background, and that just seemed…amateurish? Dunno.

This article is convincing me to give it a second look.

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