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Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by from-nibly »

codingwagie wrote: post #8

I really do think that software engineering as we know it is ending. It will take 3-5 years for tools like this to mature. But it will happen, and hard fought skill sets like SQL database design, query design, and maybe even ORMs will become obsolete. My biggest prediction is that ORMs will not be necessary when LLMs can generate SQL. Low level SQL is a better abstraction for LLMs than ORMs, and as people are removed…

LLMs don't have the context to make good decisions though. You need all of that hard fought skills to make those decisions. And people are the only ones that can have the context enough to actually make decisions.

Not only that, but AI is way more expensive than we think. We're currently in a hype bubble funded by last ditch effort VC money. When that money runs out, and it will eventually, AI is going to get WAY more expensive.

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by kiwicopple »

AlexErrant wrote: post #7

Clicking "New database" doesn't do anything for me...? No changes in the UI, and no messages in the console. Admittedly I'm not signed in with Github, but isn't that only for the AI thing (that really I don't want to use). Edit: Okay reading kiwicopple's comment makes it clearer that chatGPT is not-optional. I'm... not enthused by this. Why would you take something that's local-first and gatekeep it with something as…

We tested several models and GPT-4o was the most accurate and makes the most sense for our initial launch

That said: it's 100% our intention to add local models. This is just our v1.

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by AlexErrant »

kiwicopple wrote: post #12
AlexErrant wrote: post #7

Clicking "New database" doesn't do anything for me...? No changes in the UI, and no messages in the console. Admittedly I'm not signed in with Github, but isn't that only for the AI thing (that really I don't want to use). Edit: Okay reading kiwicopple's comment makes it clearer that chatGPT is not-optional. I'm... not enthused by this. Why would you take something that's local-first and gatekeep it with something as…

We tested several models and GPT-4o was the most accurate and makes the most sense for our initial launch That said: it's 100% our intention to add local models. This is just our v1.

Yeah perhaps I came in with the wrong expectations. The ui/url made me expect a postgre playground, when instead I got this. Perhaps Postgres.ai?

Also... the page title is "Postgres Sandbox". This is, at best, misleading.

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by righthand »

codingwagie wrote: post #8

I really do think that software engineering as we know it is ending. It will take 3-5 years for tools like this to mature. But it will happen, and hard fought skill sets like SQL database design, query design, and maybe even ORMs will become obsolete. My biggest prediction is that ORMs will not be necessary when LLMs can generate SQL. Low level SQL is a better abstraction for LLMs than ORMs, and as people are removed…

We already had SQL model and code generators well before LLMs. What does adding in random output do to improve that?

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by simonw »

codingwagie wrote: post #8

I really do think that software engineering as we know it is ending. It will take 3-5 years for tools like this to mature. But it will happen, and hard fought skill sets like SQL database design, query design, and maybe even ORMs will become obsolete. My biggest prediction is that ORMs will not be necessary when LLMs can generate SQL. Low level SQL is a better abstraction for LLMs than ORMs, and as people are removed…

Giving everyone a smartphone with a great video camera built in didn't obsolete the field of cinematography. I don't think giving everyone tools to help them build software will obsolete software engineering.

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by auspiv »

kiwicopple wrote: post #12
AlexErrant wrote: post #7

Clicking "New database" doesn't do anything for me...? No changes in the UI, and no messages in the console. Admittedly I'm not signed in with Github, but isn't that only for the AI thing (that really I don't want to use). Edit: Okay reading kiwicopple's comment makes it clearer that chatGPT is not-optional. I'm... not enthused by this. Why would you take something that's local-first and gatekeep it with something as…

We tested several models and GPT-4o was the most accurate and makes the most sense for our initial launch That said: it's 100% our intention to add local models. This is just our v1.

The point is that the verbiage ("To prevent abuse we ask you to sign in before chatting with AI.") implies that only the AI won't work if you don't sign in, not the entire product/site.

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by kolbe »

Basic question. Is there a service out there where I can easily link my database to an LLM to do this exact same type of analysis, except on one of my own Postgres DBs instead of one backed by PGlite? My org has several non-technical people who would greatly benefit from being able to interact with our DB via an LLM, rather than SQL 101 queries. The PostgreSQL Explorer extension on VS Code helps some, but doesn't quite make it as seamless at this.

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by kiwicopple »

auspiv wrote: post #16
kiwicopple wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We tested several models and GPT-4o was the most accurate and makes the most sense for our initial launch That said: it's 100% our intention to add local models. This is just our v1.

The point is that the verbiage ("To prevent abuse we ask you to sign in before chatting with AI.") implies that only the AI won't work if you don't sign in, not the entire product/site.

good feedback, thanks

we'll change the verbiage for now, and look at ways we can provide a 100% local experience without logins

Re: Postgres.new: In-browser Postgres with an AI interface

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Post by [deleted] »

codingwagie wrote: post #8

I really do think that software engineering as we know it is ending. It will take 3-5 years for tools like this to mature. But it will happen, and hard fought skill sets like SQL database design, query design, and maybe even ORMs will become obsolete. My biggest prediction is that ORMs will not be necessary when LLMs can generate SQL. Low level SQL is a better abstraction for LLMs than ORMs, and as people are removed…

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