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> Some goes to make sure that serious penalties and serious enforcement doesn't happen Representatives aren't emotionless puppets that respond to money. They're people, and they can be good or bad. In this case, they're bad, and they're the ones to blame, because they're responsible for protecting consumers from bad companies. > that too is another avenue of ensuring maximum profit This is also insanely deluded and i…

> and they're the ones to blame, because they're responsible for protecting consumers from bad companies. in your example they’re both bad—both the original aggressor and the one refusing to enforce against that aggressor. we need to mitigate against this desire to find The One thing to blame. By their very nature complicated situations will have many problems, rarely simply one. we need to remember this so we don’t…

Sorry, yes, I agree - both the evildoers, and figures of authority that enable their behavior, deserve scorn and derision. I didn't mean to say that entities actually doing bad things don't deserve shame.

The point that I'm trying to make is that, while evildoers will always exist, we don't have very much agency over their actions. You don't have very many options over the actions of a bad company (or person) - but you do have the ability to hold your representatives accountable and protest and vote against them if they don't make good laws and enforce them.

So, even though evil companies/people should be shunned, at the very least we know that there's always going to be some of them around - but our representatives are ostensibly acting in our bests interests, and have more responsibility, power, and accountability than the bad actors, so we should focus on them instead.

That is - the same amount of energy applied to our representatives will do far more good than applied to bad companies.

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> The solution to guns is simple. Ban guns and make ownership hard. But then this is stepping on an enumerated right. If we remove or make it difficult the right to own guns, what’s next? Freedom of speech? That one was attacked recently as well. So no the solution is not to further limit rights due to the hoplophobia of a few, the solution is actually what you’re trying to stop. Prior to recent history, it was quite…

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> but am less convinced Is there something we are supposed to convince you of? > Do you actually believe that before the 1900s and the invention of advertising, nobody knew about food? 1900s? Even what is considered "modern" advertising dates back to the 17th century – i.e. the 1600s. > I don't see how you can make such a big claim without resorting to "well, daddy telling you to eat cucumber is a form of advertising…

Alright, it's all good and dandy to play devil's advocate to everyone, but it would be nice if you didn't mind sharing your definition of "advertising" that dates back to the 1600s and includes "knowing about the existence of vegetables". Just a definition would be nice. Thanks.

By the 1600s, people were letting it be known about wares they wish to sell and whatnot in newspapers; a practice that continues today. This is generally considered the birth of "modern" advertising.

If you want a definition, pick a definition – come up with something on the spot, even. It makes no difference to me.

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My guess would be it's about pricing. Let's imagine a world where there are only two farms, mine and my neighbor's. We're both using regular seeds, and we do a decent job, but it's not wonderful, and some years our yield isn't so great. Then Monsanto comes along and wants to sell us a product that gives us better, more consistent yields, even better than our best harvests with the regular seeds. The catch, of course,…

In your story nobody is forced to anything. The farmer that doesn't like the monsanto deal made their choice, effectively rendering their farm business less competitive (unable to lower prices like the other farmer). That was predictable, it's also why the other farmer took the deal. Yeah, forced by market to not ignore progress to be better at what you do, that may be, but can't see that as negative.

They are forced in the sense that they don't have a viable choice other than taking a bad deal.

Note that the issue isn't ignoring progress. Neither farmer has an issue with using more sophisticated seeds. The issue is with the deal that goes along with the seeds.

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> However, in the stage of capitalism we are currently in This is, again, deeply deluded and detached from reality. People always fight those who hold them back. This applies to employees fighting bosses, children fighting parents, companies fighting regulators, citizens fighting corrupt governments, and different bureaucrats fighting each other in socialist and communist systems. It's blindingly obvious that this ph…

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> And relatedly, I'm sorry that while you were speeding your brother to the hospital, you blew through a red light you couldn't stop for and caused a three-car pileup that killed an elderly woman. Firstly, surveilling every person in the world at all times to ensure safety is a gross misapplicaiton of tech that flies in the face of personal freedom and privacy. Secondly, we're not even talking about authorities surve…

> surveilling every person in the world at all times to ensure safety is a gross misapplicaiton of tech that flies in the face of personal freedom and privacy Not at all times, of course. But if we built the technology to do it whenever someone is operating a multi-ton vehicle on a shared roadway (similar to how we require police to wear body-cams), I wouldn't actually be sad about it or feel unduly watched. I do con…

Not at all times, just when they are driving 2 tons of deadly metal.

I look forward to police metadata monitors that identify speeding and dangerous driving.

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> surveilling every person in the world at all times to ensure safety is a gross misapplicaiton of tech that flies in the face of personal freedom and privacy Not at all times, of course. But if we built the technology to do it whenever someone is operating a multi-ton vehicle on a shared roadway (similar to how we require police to wear body-cams), I wouldn't actually be sad about it or feel unduly watched. I do con…

Not at all times, just when they are driving 2 tons of deadly metal. I look forward to police metadata monitors that identify speeding and dangerous driving.

Way back in high school, I remember learning the Mean Value Theorem in calculus, and I asked the teacher (little annoying asshole that I was) whether the consequence of the theorem that "for a continuous function, the mean of the values in the interval is one of the values in the interval" implies that you could track how long it took someone to get from point A to point B on the highway and conclude that even if you didn't see them speed, they must have sped.

He paused and responded "yes, but nobody will stand for getting tickets like that."

Fast-forward to the 2020s and I find there are actually plenty of people who would, in fact, stand for that.

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