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Does Astrology Work?

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Re: Does Astrology Work?

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Would you ask a snake oil salesman his views on the benefits of snake oil? :)

Sure, that's the scientific method / debate; person A says snake oil does not work, person B says it does, let's have it out.

> Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#62

The comments here are extremely unhelpful. We get it, you think astrology is stupid and anyone that thinks it works is an idiot worth ostracizing. Now can we get on with comments actually diving deeper into the actual study in the OP?

It's not exactly a HN topic is it?

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#63
So frame astrology type things as a randomization tool, that allows you to randomly navigate a set of questions and assessments to see how you're doing and feeling.

Remember when we learned about how bone divination helped hunter gathers search random areas and not be stuck with the bias of hunting where you previously hunted too much?

Kind of related. But, anyway, what I'm trying to say. I also feel like it's a snake oil scam and impossibly hard to avoid dishonesty at a random sample of astrologists.

My random card reader really flipped my head around when they promised me my reading without knowing my question or answers. They asked me how I felt about my questions and some considerations I could take about the answer and outcome, based on my cards. They said it was a process to navigate your thoughts, not for future telling. And I was impressed enough at this reframing to want to try and convince a few other HN nerds to consider this point as well. Be upset about the scammers but don't miss the possibility there can be a nugget of value and process outside of what you're expecting. There tend to be reasons why people continue doing things across cultures and time (there's something they get value out of in it, usually)

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#64

tl;dr No, it doesn't work - statistically it's identical to random guessing.

Is it equal to random guessing (which isn't fully random) or closer to true randomness? If the latter, can we use it as a PRNG? "Now powered by Astrology" branding, for markets where it would increase sales.

It would be trivially easy to scrape astrology websites and use it to feed a "true randomness" service...

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#65
Astrology is one of those techniques where the uninitiated ran away with the metaphors and turned it into a big LARP. Give it a thousand years and much of our science will look much the same.

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#66
post #37

I’d be interested in the views of professional as well as hobby astrologers who are on HN.

I keep up with astrology personally since I do find that my beliefs, practices, and actions line up fairly closely with my sign (Cancer). But, I know it's basically just a bunch of hand waving and guesses.

I use it more as a tool to ask myself questions, or thinking of things from a new point of view. For example, my horoscope today says "Practice expressing yourself without seeking affirmation." And, yeah, that should be something I work on, my feelings don't need to be validated to be true.

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#67
Nice study! My conjecture on why astrology persists despite not working: it is the refinement of two very human traits, ambiguous statements and confirmation bias.

Astrologers can leave just enough ambiguity in their statements so it seems definite but could be interpreted either way, and when actual events happen later on, confirmation bias (often accompanied with a desire to believe and be proven right) kicks in and "confirms" the result. Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.

To the degree it seems to provide a benefit by giving people the feeling that the chaotic world is explainable, perhaps it is a good thing, far less good than science and far better than flat-earth/Qanon style conspiracy theory worldviews.

Science is a positive good, astrology somewhat harmless (aside from being wasteful & distracting from real science), and the flat-earth/Qanon conspiracy worldviews actively harmful. So, perhaps if astrology can be leveraged to pull people away from the conspiracy worldviews, it could be good? Although, if anything, the motion seems to be in the other direction.

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#69
Read up on cold reading and you'll find that it explains much of astrology, psychics, fortune tellers and others. Once you know the techniques you'll be able to recognise them pretty easily and you won't look at horoscopes the same way again (that is, if you ever believed them to begin with)

Re: Does Astrology Work?

#70
my take is that astrology works because as kids growing up under the current offset between regular year and school years have a statistically similar experience given the time of the year they were born

so I’m blaming the homogenity of school experience as a way to explain away the personality similarities between people sharing a “zodiac sign” i.e. born around the same time of the year

but I do hope I got shadowbanned already

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