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Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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Reminds me of an recent instance where some friends wanted to buy a house, but it had solar panels. The solar panels couldn't be included in the mortgage and my friends couldn't afford to buy them outright along with the downpayment on the mortgage. The house still remains unsold.

This is why you don't lease solar panels. This is common because there's little to no initial outlay but don't do it. Buy them or don't get them at all.

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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post #14

Reminds me of an recent instance where some friends wanted to buy a house, but it had solar panels. The solar panels couldn't be included in the mortgage and my friends couldn't afford to buy them outright along with the downpayment on the mortgage. The house still remains unsold.

Very curious where this is? Sounds ridiculous, what jurisdiction wouldn’t include them as part of the house? Utterly bizarre! Also why couldn’t they afford them? Is this the US where the equivalent of a $5000 system elsewhere in the world seems to cost $25K to install for some reason? Even then, with depreciation as long as it’s a couple of years old surely the residual value isn’t that much…?

The owners of the house may not own the solar panels: there's a psuedo-scam running around where they are installed for "free" by a company that then gets a lien on the house https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/solar/solar-scams/

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very curious where this is? Sounds ridiculous, what jurisdiction wouldn’t include them as part of the house? Utterly bizarre! Also why couldn’t they afford them? Is this the US where the equivalent of a $5000 system elsewhere in the world seems to cost $25K to install for some reason? Even then, with depreciation as long as it’s a couple of years old surely the residual value isn’t that much…?

There were many dodgy schemes in the UK years ago ("free solar panels! cheap electricity!") where people didn't realise there was a mortgage on the panels for 30 years+ which was now in the deeds of the house and made mortgage companies back out, suspect it's exactly this.

If they were under some kind of borderline-scam scheme like that, yes that would make sense. But that’s very different than just “having solar panels” that the OP said!

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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post #14

Reminds me of an recent instance where some friends wanted to buy a house, but it had solar panels. The solar panels couldn't be included in the mortgage and my friends couldn't afford to buy them outright along with the downpayment on the mortgage. The house still remains unsold.

Very curious where this is? Sounds ridiculous, what jurisdiction wouldn’t include them as part of the house? Utterly bizarre! Also why couldn’t they afford them? Is this the US where the equivalent of a $5000 system elsewhere in the world seems to cost $25K to install for some reason? Even then, with depreciation as long as it’s a couple of years old surely the residual value isn’t that much…?

In the UK it's quite a common setup that you don't buy the panels outright, you sign a contract with a 3rd party company that installs the panels on your house and maintains them, but they own the panels, you can just use whatever electricity they produce and any surplus goes to the company owning the panels. The problem is that a lot of these companies went bust when the government ended the electricity export subsidy, and in most cases these panels were then transferred to a larger provider that honours the original contract but on the sale of the house they won't transfer it to the new owner - the only option is for the new owner to buy them outright. And because they rarely look at them in terms of current market value, they will quote you whatever the panels were brand new - which yes, absolutely can be in the £15-20k range, which is crazy by any measure, and you end up in this stupid situation. Usually the best option is actually to remove them instead, but as per contract - you are liable for the cost of doing so, which ends up costing few grand anyway, once you factor in scaffolding and labour and recycling and everything else. And so it's now a burden when it comes to selling the house.

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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post #19

> At the root of the problem are cowboy traders who apply the foam without a full survey or appropriate expertise.

I was initially confused when I read it, but I think that ‘trader’ here must be the politically-correct word for ‘tradesman’ (someone engaged in a trade) rather than someone who trades (like a stockbroker).

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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post #14

Reminds me of an recent instance where some friends wanted to buy a house, but it had solar panels. The solar panels couldn't be included in the mortgage and my friends couldn't afford to buy them outright along with the downpayment on the mortgage. The house still remains unsold.

Very curious where this is? Sounds ridiculous, what jurisdiction wouldn’t include them as part of the house? Utterly bizarre! Also why couldn’t they afford them? Is this the US where the equivalent of a $5000 system elsewhere in the world seems to cost $25K to install for some reason? Even then, with depreciation as long as it’s a couple of years old surely the residual value isn’t that much…?

It could well be that the homeowner has them under some contract (so they may not be part of the house in that sense).

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were many dodgy schemes in the UK years ago ("free solar panels! cheap electricity!") where people didn't realise there was a mortgage on the panels for 30 years+ which was now in the deeds of the house and made mortgage companies back out, suspect it's exactly this.

If they were under some kind of borderline-scam scheme like that, yes that would make sense. But that’s very different than just “having solar panels” that the OP said!

Op just said "but it had solar panels" - which.....it does. And because it's such a common setup in the UK, every time you see a house with solar panels you can be almost certain it's done this way, not owned outright by the owner.

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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I'm into watching construction videos on Youtube, and since most of the content originates from the US I see lots of people using spray foam insulation without any sort of air-tight & moisture regulating membrane on the inside (behind the drywall for example). This is a disaster waiting to happen in almost all northern climates during winter (when AC/de-humidification isn't running) for the same reasons outlined in the article here.

Re: Spray-foam insulation makes homes unable to be mortgaged

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post #25
post #19

> At the root of the problem are cowboy traders who apply the foam without a full survey or appropriate expertise.

I was initially confused when I read it, but I think that ‘trader’ here must be the politically-correct word for ‘tradesman’ (someone engaged in a trade) rather than someone who trades (like a stockbroker).

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