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Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by TiredOfLife »

theshrike79 wrote: post #61

My reasoning for leaving Spotify was this: - Spotify pays fractions of pennies per play to the artist ($0.00318) - Apple Music pays about three times more ($0.008) - Tidal pays more than Apple Music ($0.01284) I picked Apple because I've got it anyway through Apple One, if I wasn't in The Ecosystem, I'd switch to Tidal since it integrates with PlexAmp directly. https://virpp.com/hello/music-streaming-payouts-comparis…

Your first point contradicts your second. You switched because it was cheaper.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by theshrike79 »

nsteel wrote: post #76
theshrike79 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an anecdote, my kid is in their pre-teens. They're on their second iPad - got the first one at around age 1-2. I think that's a pretty nice TCO right there.

> got the first one at around age 1-2. That's brave. I've never owned an iPad, are they are they a lot more resilient to being dropped than I think? My 2yo drops what they're playing with about 4 times per minute. I've settled for a yoto player which I don't let them pick up!

They've been pretty well coordinated, never dropped tablets and zero broken phones.

Meanwhile I see kids at similar ages going around with phones that have screens that are just a complete mush of broken glass. Dunno why.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by theshrike79 »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #81
theshrike79 wrote: post #61

My reasoning for leaving Spotify was this: - Spotify pays fractions of pennies per play to the artist ($0.00318) - Apple Music pays about three times more ($0.008) - Tidal pays more than Apple Music ($0.01284) I picked Apple because I've got it anyway through Apple One, if I wasn't in The Ecosystem, I'd switch to Tidal since it integrates with PlexAmp directly. https://virpp.com/hello/music-streaming-payouts-comparis…

Your first point contradicts your second. You switched because it was cheaper.

Win-win for me.

I pay less per month for music for the whole family AND the artist make more for each play.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by ageitgey »

deng wrote: post #41

PSA for people with kids: Parental controls and QA in Spotify are a bad joke. I found out the hard way that Spotify features tons of videos and that you cannot disable them. See for instance https://open.spotify.com/episode/5KS759AlVGVj34OHPbcx1p There's also ton of dubious stuff in the "ASMR" category you probably wouldn't want your kid have access to and that is not caught by the "Explicit" filter, see for instance…

This is the reason we cancelled Spotify and moved to Apple Music.

Not only do they have a bunch of adult content hidden in there, but they also have tons of "video podcasts" available via search that are compilations of TikTok and streamer trash (like the one you linked). So if you are trying to keep young kids away from TikTok, trash-level Minecraft streamers, etc, but assume Spotify is safe because it is just music, your kids will find it and start getting hooked on TikTok via Spotify. It's really terrible and insidious. It feels like the tech industry is conspiring to get small children hooked.

There is a thread several years old on Spotify support where people have been complaining about this and they have done nothing. They are prioritizing engagement via crappy podcasts over delivering a music product that works for a range of customers (families, etc).

BTW, Apple Music has been totally fine as a replacement. I actually like it more. And there is a web app that will move all your old playlists over in minutes, so there's very little hassle in switching.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by Yizahi »

anotherhue wrote: post #79

Here’s an experiment you can do across any music service, count how many clicks/taps/interactions to go from a cold start to dark side of the moon. Now play their next album that you can’t remember the name of. For bonus fun count how many times it tries to interrupt you and have you listen to something cheaper, their in house podcasts or whatever the latest rap album they’re pushing is, despite that after tens of th…

Spotify - 6+4 (from app open to play), YT Music - 10+4. (+4 is the next album test) I don't get either of them push anything out of place to me. In Spotify Home the top 7 blocks on homepage are all relevant to or are what I'm listening. Either mixes of bands I'm listen to, or the bands/albums themselves. After block 7 the spam starts, e.g. "regional top 100" and similar. In YT Music it is even farther, only block 20 on home page is "charts", before it all blocks are relevant.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by ageitgey »

I had been a Spotify subscriber since near when it started. I was annoyed with every change over the years, but I had nearly a decade of playlists that I didn't want to lose. It never felt worth switching because it seemed like a huge effort.

Recently, I finally switched to Apple Music after discovering there is absolutely no way to disable video podcasts on child accounts and that because of that, Spotify search is full of TikTok compilations, Minecraft streamers, and straight up adult content that you absolutely can't disable for children. It's really terrible and unforgivable.

The good news is (1) I actually like Apple Music a lot more, even on Android and (2) switching took like 5 minutes using Soundiiz. It is a web app where you log into both services and it syncs your playlists and collections instantly. I have no connection to it and there are probably other similar services that might be just as good, but it worked really well for me and was worth the $5 or whatever I payed. I moved everyone in my family over to Apple Music and no one complained or lost any playlists.

Since being on Apple Music, it's really refreshing that they prioritize music features over dumb engagement features. They promote lossless audio and spatial audio remixes instead of trying to push paid podcasts and other junk you don't want. It also supports streaming your own local music that is not in their library. It is a really nice product.

Obviously both are giant companies who don't care about you, but Apple Music really seems like a better product to me made by people who actually listen to music.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by deng »

ageitgey wrote: post #84
deng wrote: post #41

PSA for people with kids: Parental controls and QA in Spotify are a bad joke. I found out the hard way that Spotify features tons of videos and that you cannot disable them. See for instance https://open.spotify.com/episode/5KS759AlVGVj34OHPbcx1p There's also ton of dubious stuff in the "ASMR" category you probably wouldn't want your kid have access to and that is not caught by the "Explicit" filter, see for instance…

This is the reason we cancelled Spotify and moved to Apple Music. Not only do they have a bunch of adult content hidden in there, but they also have tons of "video podcasts" available via search that are compilations of TikTok and streamer trash (like the one you linked). So if you are trying to keep young kids away from TikTok, trash-level Minecraft streamers, etc, but assume Spotify is safe because it is just music…

> There is a thread several years old on Spotify support where people have been complaining about this and they have done nothing. They are prioritizing engagement via crappy podcasts over delivering a music product that works for a range of customers (families, etc).

Yes, see for instance

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Add-quot-remove-...

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Premium-Family/How-can-I-fi...

I also remember that 2-3 years ago it was very easy to find hardcore porn images on Spotify, but at least they have fixed that, as this could have gotten them into real trouble. But otherwise, I think it's clear that Spotify has zero interest in disabling videos.

It's the same with Youtube, I actually had to resort to a third-party application (Freetube) to set up a curated list of channels for my kid he's allowed to watch, because it's not possible to do that in Youtube itself...

> It feels like the tech industry is conspiring to get small children hooked.

I think there's ample evidence that this is indeed the case.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by [deleted] »

a-french-anon wrote: post #28
avh02 wrote: post #4

Don't get me wrong, I've started moving away from Spotify, but not entirely for these reasons. Music to me is mostly one big playlist and a few smaller playlists from the same library of my music. And where my music doesn't get randomly yanked because the artist had a fit with Spotify or license issues came up I never understood people's fetishization of albums and "enjoying" an album and all the music app interfaces…

I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but this is peak plebeian. I means to me you don't know how to appreciate music on a deep level, that you solely listen to "greatest hits" or genres/artists too base to be able to (or too commercial to even want to) create an album with an overarching aesthetic vision; not even talking about concept album, just having purpose in differences between tracks while still cultivati…

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Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by bezier-curve »

a-french-anon wrote: post #54
bezier-curve wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as flak, I think your point about album appreciation could be interesting if presented in a more constructive way. The tone of your comment comes across as somewhat condescending, which can make it harder for others to engage with the idea.

Sadly, I don't really think the question at hand is complex enough to be more constructive than the single sentence I used. But let's try: could you reduce a movie like "Taxi Driver" to a single scene and keep all of its value? I categorically state "no", but you could probably with sitcoms-with-background-laugh-tracks ("probably", my experience with them isn't very extensive). Basically, some music is made to be dig…

There's a lot of cases where I've been offered up an artist's "greatest hits" or "latest hit" through an algorithm, and it got me curious enough to dig and discover their albums, and listen to them the way they probably intended. I think your comment is a narrow way to look at algorithmic suggestions, and it comes off elitist.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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Post by wyager »

sumuyuda wrote: post #29
wyager wrote: post #6

I'm looking for a music app (streaming or otherwise) that supports what seems to me like a basic feature, but which seems to be unsupported in anything I've tried. I want the ability to shuffle my library/play the latest releases/whatever while leaving albums intact . I want to play the entirety of one album in order, then play another album in order, and so on. Anyone know of an app that does this? I'll drop spotify…

If your are on iOS check out Albums, it is built around listening to music in Albums. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/albums-album-focused-player/id...

Thanks, will check this out.
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