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Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by devsda »

hanniabu wrote: post #97
38 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, no one should ever bother writing a new browser again, too risky. We should just use chrome forever

Why not just fork chromium with all the Google analytics/tracking removed?

There's ungoogled chromium for that.

Also doing that doesn't solve the standards problem we currently have.

Google is able to push through any "standard". And those standards "unwittingly" help them maintain their search/ad dominance or prevent competitors. For example see manifest v3 or FloC (a.k.a Topics API).

Once they gain enough traction and become indispensible, you either implement them or risk losing users.

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by refulgentis »

sheeshkebab wrote: post #83
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #31

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For everything. Swift is—at least in theory—a general purpose language, it's not exclusively for Apple technologies. > First off, Swift has both memory & data race safety (as of v6). It's also a modern language with solid ergonomics. > Something that matters to us a lot is OO. Web specs & browser internals tend to be highly object-oriented, and life is easier when you can model specs closely in your code. Swift has f…

Swift is useless outside of macOS/iOS dev… the thing doesn’t even have namespacing. I don’t know for what reason someone would use it outside for Apple environment.

You're right but this touches the hot stove.

HN majority doesn't like hearing that ladybird et al might just be wandering around, even if the goal is catnip for the bleachers, and we should be skeptical this is the year of multiplatform Swift, because it wasn't last year if you actually tried it. Or the year before last. Or the year before that. Or the year before that year. Or the year before that one.

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by beart »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #81

It'd be nice if people stopped recommending "yet another new and exciting package manager for Windows" that you have no idea of whether you can trust it or not. Git, Python, llvm, cmake, and curl all have perfectly normal windows installers available from their own websites, and if you're a programmer who has to, or chooses to work on Window, it's a good bet you already have either most or all of these already instal…

Ideally, winget would be the way to go, but I haven't had good luck with it. There are a number of limitations and it doesn't feel like a polished and curated repo. It just feels like a wrapper around chocolatey, which has its own problems.

Microsoft is the reason alternative package managers exist

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by [deleted] »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #31
monacobolid wrote: post #23

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For UI portion of their Mac OS version? What am I missing?

For everything. Swift is—at least in theory—a general purpose language, it's not exclusively for Apple technologies. > First off, Swift has both memory & data race safety (as of v6). It's also a modern language with solid ergonomics. > Something that matters to us a lot is OO. Web specs & browser internals tend to be highly object-oriented, and life is easier when you can model specs closely in your code. Swift has f…

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Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by swiftcoder »

amelius wrote: post #42
ksec wrote: post #5

So we will, in ~5 years time have two new browser, one in Rust and one in Swift. I hope in the process of doing it we will find new ways of doing things.

The problem with these smaller webbrowsers is that you have nobody to sue if the browser turns out to leak your personal information or credentials etc. Therefore it is better to stick with browsers made by big corporations.

I'm curious what exactly you think suing Google or Apple in such a case would accomplish?

On the (long) odds that you get all the way to a successful class-action suit, the lawyers get rich, and the class members eventually end up with a free year of credit monitoring

(we have seen this over and over again in settlements for high-profile data breaches)

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by RussianCow »

amelius wrote: post #42
ksec wrote: post #5

So we will, in ~5 years time have two new browser, one in Rust and one in Swift. I hope in the process of doing it we will find new ways of doing things.

The problem with these smaller webbrowsers is that you have nobody to sue if the browser turns out to leak your personal information or credentials etc. Therefore it is better to stick with browsers made by big corporations.

Are you really planning on suing Google for leaking personal info via Chrome?

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by swiftcoder »

hanniabu wrote: post #71

There's still zero day exploits found in chromium, wouldn't using using this put you at a huge risk of running into malware in the wild that this browser can't protect against?

Maybe if Chromium was written in a memory-safe language there would be fewer zero-days?

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by jamil7 »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #21
ksec wrote: post #5

So we will, in ~5 years time have two new browser, one in Rust and one in Swift. I hope in the process of doing it we will find new ways of doing things.

I'd like to see Swift adopted more on non-Apple operating systems, some of the recent GTK apps written in Swift are pretty cool.

There's been a lot of work on this in the last few years with Windows support, preliminary Android support is also being worked on and should appear at some point in Swift 6.

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by bee_rider »

culi wrote: post #65
StrauXX wrote: post #37

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There is old.reddit.com, reddit.com and new.reddit.com. new.reddit.com is not the same site as reddit.com!

TIL. new.reddit seems to be a return to old.reddit in a lot of ways. It also seems really really fast unlike the current www.reddit. If they remove some annoying ads I might even be convinced to stop using old.

The only downside is that new is still being developed. Old is nice because it is shielded from their post-success incompetence. Whatever bad ideas they decide to implement will hit new first.

Re: Verso – Web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

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Post by ddtaylor »

amelius wrote: post #42
ksec wrote: post #5

So we will, in ~5 years time have two new browser, one in Rust and one in Swift. I hope in the process of doing it we will find new ways of doing things.

The problem with these smaller webbrowsers is that you have nobody to sue if the browser turns out to leak your personal information or credentials etc. Therefore it is better to stick with browsers made by big corporations.

I'm fairly certain those big corporations are stealing that same information just paying fines and PR people to manage the backlash.
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