Next 3 months is going to get interesting.
Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
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#162FTA: "Ethical Use Safeguards Built-in checks prevent processing of inappropriate content, ensuring legal and ethical use." I see it claims to not process content with nudity, but all of the examples on the website demo impersonation of famous people, including at least one politician (JD Vance). I'm struggling to understand what the authors consider 'ethical' deepfaking? What is the intended 'ethical' use case here?…
I'm a researcher who's made one of the best face generators. I'd like to address your questions and discuss a larger more critical point. I too have ethical concerns. There are upsides though. It is a powerful tool for image and video editing (for swapping, you still need a generator on the backbone)[0]. It is a powerful tool for compression and upsampling (your generative model __is__ a compression of (a subset of)…
This seems like the beginning of a treatise, a useful one, to help us come to grips with all this AI stuff.
Upvoted.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen people try and share such a "password" verbally on a video call. With recording and live transcribing on. From free-tier extensions with wobbly privacy policies. This won't work. I've resorted to using OTP apps with family and coworkers.
So you force your parents/kids/aunts/etc to give you a one time code every time they want to talk to you? That seems extremely clunky and impersonal and I couldn’t imagine anyone in my family willingly agreeing to do it.
I mean, not every time, but if someone is asking for money because they're in the hospital/jail/something, it seems prudent to have some sort of system set up these days.
you can't plan on everybody never having something come up.
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#164Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't care about the content, they care about the correlation with customers who have an exceptional rate of chargebacks or other payment avoidance on legitimate purchases. Cryptocurrency and the like may offer a way out of that problem by allowing direct purchases, but only for companies willing to deal with the support burden of making everything nonrefundable.
cryptocurrency doesn't offer credit card chargebacks, but why can't you refund customers by sending them the same amount of crypto back from where it came from? I've gotten merchants to give me refunds to a different credit card before.
Chargebacks are done by the customer and card agency, not the merchant.
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#166Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#167Well, I understand how it works, and I still find it freaking amazing. The quality is... impressive. On the flip side, the ability to deep-fake a face in real time on a video call is now accessible to pretty much every script kiddie out there. In other words, you can no longer trust what your eyes see on video calls. We live in interesting times.
It's interesting, because the subconscious ability of the mind to identify discrepancies is incredible (even if we ignore that feeling we get about something). The feel of counterfeit bills, the color someone choose to wear, the sound that doesn't quite fit. I think deep-fakes are mostly a danger to people without a lot of source material for their minds to compare against. You could trick me into believing I was tak…
> The feel of counterfeit bills, the color someone choose to wear, the sound that doesn't quite fit.
You think there are no counterfeit bills that feel exactly the same as the real thing? Pretty sure you're wrong.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen people try and share such a "password" verbally on a video call. With recording and live transcribing on. From free-tier extensions with wobbly privacy policies. This won't work. I've resorted to using OTP apps with family and coworkers.
So you force your parents/kids/aunts/etc to give you a one time code every time they want to talk to you? That seems extremely clunky and impersonal and I couldn’t imagine anyone in my family willingly agreeing to do it.
You're missing the point.
If somebody deepfakes someone in your network, it will most likely be for scamming / monetary purposes. (I don't care much about being pranked)
So you don't need to verify identity for a casual chat with a friend or family member.
On the other hand, here is a real situation that happened 3 days ago.
I get an instant message from my COO Nirina: the bank website says she needs a new auth code to be able to enter new wire payments for me to sign and pay the team. She provides me with the link the bank has referred her to ; a URL the bank says I need to access (with my higher privileges) to generate a new auth code for her.
First of all,
- Whoever the source is, there is no way I'm clicking that link. If I'm going to do anything about bank access codes, I'll login by manually typing the URL and I'll navigate the website myself.
Second,
- I would trust Nirina with my life. But should I trust that the person sending me that link is Nirina? I mean, if you got hold of her laptop on a business day, it wouldn't take you more than a couple minutes of snooping around to figure out that she's messaging back and forth with the company's CEO and hereby lies opportunity.
So how do I check it's her?
- I could call her (and fall for a deepfake)
- I could ask for something "only she would know" (and risk the chance that the answer can be guessed, or can be found somewhere in our several-years-long messaging history or on our 10-year-old online Drive)
- or... I could say "what's the code that proves this is from Nirina?" and wait for her to send me an OTP code matching mine.
Obviously I am not doing that every time someone from my team sends me a message.
Oh and by the way, I put this is place the day after someone tried to get access to our Meta Business account by impersonating someone on a Zoom call with me... it's not paranoia if they're after you!
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#169I can see this changing how people interact over video calls, we might start having to exchange a "key phrase" whenever we join a call, so that both sides can make sure the person on the other side is who they say they are (or appear to be), even within families, perhaps not yet but soon enough. Crazy times.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a researcher who's made one of the best face generators. I'd like to address your questions and discuss a larger more critical point. I too have ethical concerns. There are upsides though. It is a powerful tool for image and video editing (for swapping, you still need a generator on the backbone)[0]. It is a powerful tool for compression and upsampling (your generative model __is__ a compression of (a subset of)…
This seems like the beginning of a treatise, a useful one, to help us come to grips with all this AI stuff. Upvoted.
In a way it is. Practicing writing to HN but when I write similar things I often get no feedback. Positive nor negative. I'm worry verbosity is my issue but I don't know how to state so much briefly. Thanks for the reply, and honestly my goal is to start conversations.