That will be funny once those neural nets can be infered on a normal person beefy workstation (or a few of them). Just thei "ethical" goes down the drain.
It is already ez to run text troll AIs on normal workstations... so...
Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
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Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#152Technically impressive but I fail to see a good use case for it that's not related to propaganda or scam and the website doesn't seem to list one either.
All the replies to this question read like some sort of corporate marketing robot coming up with ideas.
In the overwhelmingly large majority of cases it'll be used for porn, scams and maybe 5% of the time it'll crop up in a meme of Donald Trump and Joe Biden singing memey Chinese songs.
Can't wait to hear all the stories of grandma losing her life savings cause a scammer can use Timmy's hyper realistic deep faked face at a click. AI truly is the future
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is an oversimplification that undermines your goals. If you're unwilling to recognize the benefits of something, it becomes easier to dismiss your argument. Instead, the truth is balancing trade-offs and benefits. Certainly there is a clear and harmful downside to this tech. But there are benefits. It does save a lot of money for the entertainment industry when you need to edit or do retakes. The most fa…
> But there are benefits. It does save a lot of money for the entertainment industry when you need to edit or do retakes. I think the downside is 10 orders of magnitude larger than this benefit. I also think there are more people who'd call this usage a downside than a benefit.
> I think the downside is 10 orders of magnitude larger than this benefit.
I actually agree that the downsides outweigh the upsides.
The intent of my comment is not to defend this work, it is actually more about how to better construct arguments against it. That is why I do not begin with "you're [tdeck] wrong" but specify that the argument undermines the goals.
The point is who your speech is targeted at. If your audience is people who already agree that the downsides outweigh the benefits, the argument is fine. But it also isn't that fruitful, is it. But if your argument is intended to persuade people to agree with you, who already do not, then I think the argument will only amplify such disagreement.
If we recognize that most people aren't intentionally malicious, then if we are to persuade them to be in agreement we must also understand what persuaded them to be in disagreement. It is easy to brush this off as "money" or "stupidity" but doing so won't help you construct an effective argument.
I also need to stress my point in that this construction is harmful to yourself! If we are quick to simplify and see how obvious something is through hindsight, it will make us ill equipped to prevent such mistakes beforehand. Because what's obvious post hoc is not a priori. So don't dig your own grave. Especially because the grave is dug slowly. It's far more effective to be able to recognize it when the grave is shallow and you can still climb out.
Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
For many (notably mastercard and VISA), when they say “ethical” they really mean anything but porn.
That they do, but perhaps the relevant context is that while porn is globally unregulatable, but the one entity that has proven its ability to regulate it (or at least exercise some control over it) have been payment processors like Visa and Mastercard. FT had a fantastic podcast on the porn industry and the guy behind Mindgeek. Like many stories about multinational entities, you constantly hear the usual refrains -…
They don't care about the content, they care about the correlation with customers who have an exceptional rate of chargebacks or other payment avoidance on legitimate purchases.
Cryptocurrency and the like may offer a way out of that problem by allowing direct purchases, but only for companies willing to deal with the support burden of making everything nonrefundable.
Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
That they do, but perhaps the relevant context is that while porn is globally unregulatable, but the one entity that has proven its ability to regulate it (or at least exercise some control over it) have been payment processors like Visa and Mastercard. FT had a fantastic podcast on the porn industry and the guy behind Mindgeek. Like many stories about multinational entities, you constantly hear the usual refrains -…
They don't care about the content, they care about the correlation with customers who have an exceptional rate of chargebacks or other payment avoidance on legitimate purchases. Cryptocurrency and the like may offer a way out of that problem by allowing direct purchases, but only for companies willing to deal with the support burden of making everything nonrefundable.
Finance is also an extremely socially conservative industry. There are very recessive attitudes behind closed doors.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't find anything to support your claim about weapons. Seems pretty much all online arms dealers I can find selling anything from grenades, machine guns, and even rocket launchers take credit cards and I'm fairly certain stores also accept them too.
I am not sure what the current state of the issue is, but there was an initial effort to restrict gun sales in various devious and deceptive ways since it is illegal to overtly do so because it is legal trade and economic activity. I would not be surprised though if the clear illegality of the violation of the Constitution of such efforts were brought to the attention of the payment processors, and they were reminded…
It's not illegal to not enable weapon dealing. Try selling a Glock on Amazon and let me know how long it takes before they ban your account.
Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
That they do, but perhaps the relevant context is that while porn is globally unregulatable, but the one entity that has proven its ability to regulate it (or at least exercise some control over it) have been payment processors like Visa and Mastercard. FT had a fantastic podcast on the porn industry and the guy behind Mindgeek. Like many stories about multinational entities, you constantly hear the usual refrains -…
They don't care about the content, they care about the correlation with customers who have an exceptional rate of chargebacks or other payment avoidance on legitimate purchases. Cryptocurrency and the like may offer a way out of that problem by allowing direct purchases, but only for companies willing to deal with the support burden of making everything nonrefundable.
cryptocurrency doesn't offer credit card chargebacks, but why can't you refund customers by sending them the same amount of crypto back from where it came from? I've gotten merchants to give me refunds to a different credit card before.
Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's interesting, because the subconscious ability of the mind to identify discrepancies is incredible (even if we ignore that feeling we get about something). The feel of counterfeit bills, the color someone choose to wear, the sound that doesn't quite fit. I think deep-fakes are mostly a danger to people without a lot of source material for their minds to compare against. You could trick me into believing I was tak…
The key take-away, for me, is that I should "keep my guard up" on any video call about money or other important matters , even if other participants on the call are colleagues, friends, or relatives. There are no guarantees of authenticity anymore. My new motto for video calls is "trust by verify."
*"trust but verify"
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#159Re: Deep Live Cam: Real-time face swapping and one-click video deepfake tool
#160Well, I understand how it works, and I still find it freaking amazing. The quality is... impressive. On the flip side, the ability to deep-fake a face in real time on a video call is now accessible to pretty much every script kiddie out there. In other words, you can no longer trust what your eyes see on video calls. We live in interesting times.
It's interesting, because the subconscious ability of the mind to identify discrepancies is incredible (even if we ignore that feeling we get about something). The feel of counterfeit bills, the color someone choose to wear, the sound that doesn't quite fit. I think deep-fakes are mostly a danger to people without a lot of source material for their minds to compare against. You could trick me into believing I was tak…
> You could trick me into believing I was taking with Elon, but not my son.
This was my thought about people in general, until more and more stories came out about the phone scammers pretending to be a grandson/daughter/family-member in need of a wire transfer/money to get them out of trouble. I still find it difficult to believe those are real scams that seem to work. This will probably escalate those even more with more people going to video calls. The panic of a loved one/child will not create a calm enough mind for thinking "hey maybe this is a deepfake" in most parents, atleast from my observations.