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Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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It's always the second flip

The first flip collapses the wave function so that it has a definite orientation at all. The second flip then achieves the correct orientation.

The second flip is to rotate it around the 4th axis.

Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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A docking system has many, many moving parts under significant stress, and not all of them are tested under the assumption that arbitrary software could drive their positions/torques beyond assumed limits. You can’t factory-reset metal fatigue after it has happened. It’s quite reasonable for NASA to say “this OTA update has to be tested and QA’d to the most rigorous standards.”

Absolutely. But I don't believe that's the 'bricking' they referred to.

My understanding is that Boeing wants to ship a software update that removes the automated undocking software as part of that update.

They could similarly ship another update that restores it. Therein, this is clickbait content

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Those are not the only reasons to put people in jail. There is also 3. Deterring others from similar actions, and 4. Rehabilitation. Number 4 obviously doesn't apply in the US justice system, but number 3, deterrence, is imho the major argument for putting executives or employees in prison. The threat of punishment can be a strong motivator, especially in corporate settings. But it only works if punishments are actua…

But deterrence doesn’t seem to work, does it?

Not if all that happens is a small fine.

Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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But deterrence doesn’t seem to work, does it?

Not if all that happens is a small fine.

No really. There's been endless research on this, and increasing the magnitude of the punishment does very little to deter unwanted behaviors. Increasing the likelihood of getting caught does, though, even when the actual punishment for getting caught is relatively minor.

Which would seem to suggest that stuffing even more people into prisons may not help much; what we really need is to dial back some of the gutting of regulatory bodies that's made it so easy for corrupt behavior to flourish in the first place. Sunlight continues to be the best disinfectant.

And you can kind of see it on an international scale? The "better regulation" approach is favored by places like EU countries, while the "throw the leaders in jail" approach is more favored by places like Russia and China that don't exactly seem to be ideal role models for how to keep corporate corruption in check.

Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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Why can’t you put a company in jail?

Companies are abstract legal entities, separate from the people who run them. Companies don't have a physical form that can be arrested and locked in a cell.

You could suspend them from trading as a form of penal equivalence.

Imagine something similar to Chapter 11 in which they are temporarily protected from their creditors, but at the same time cannot function.

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Boeing execs should be held criminally accountable for their leadership that has resulted in this mess. People should be in prison.

Why does it feel like we don’t have criminal responsibility (well, accountability) here in the US? So much criminal wrongdoing and the company just pays a fine and everything continues as usual.

Oh but there are criminal justice consequences if you do something TO a corporation through. Kid get a 5 year sentence for setting fire to a Macdonald's dumpster. You read that correctly, he set outside garbage on fire and will be in jail for 5 years.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-crime/mcdonalds-employe...

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Why does it feel like we don’t have criminal responsibility (well, accountability) here in the US? So much criminal wrongdoing and the company just pays a fine and everything continues as usual.

Oh but there are criminal justice consequences if you do something TO a corporation through. Kid get a 5 year sentence for setting fire to a Macdonald's dumpster. You read that correctly, he set outside garbage on fire and will be in jail for 5 years. https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-crime/mcdonalds-employe...

Considering that the "Kid" was a 34 year old employee, that seems like a totally reasonable sentence. If I was judge/jury, I would also give 5 year sentences to arsonists. This is psychotic behavior:

> Joshua Daryl McGregor, 34, was working at the restaurant on 2701 Montgomery Ave. in April 2023 when he became frustrated that the store was too busy

> McGregor lit a piece of cardboard on fire and threw it into the dumpster outside the restaurant that was already full of cardboard and other flammable materials. He ensured the fire ignited before going back inside the restaurant, according to the press release.

> He also filmed the fire with his cell phone and posted the video on social media

> The fire became so intense that customers in the drive-through lane needed to back out of the parking lot

> Savannah Fire Department worked to put out the fire

Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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How could they possibly screw up so badly that a SW update would brick the thing? Did they forget the logic to just reboot to last good/factory FW in case of failure? This feels like the story they're telling isn't the real story because that's just basic, basic shit that gets beaten on all the time during development.

Here a purely factual reenactment of possible scenario featuring Matt Damon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H1s9gj5DA

Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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NASA may be taking a different approach, but in civilian aerospace it is prohibited to have code that doesn't run or doesn't trace to a system requirement. I assume that was their rationale for removing it.

This same base capsule design is also supposed to operate autonomously. It previously attempted an autonomous docking. The code was written, it was approved for flight previously. It is not like "autonomous docking" was never a part of the specification for this model of craft; it just wasn't the expected process for this particular mission . Boeing just didn't bother to make it so the mission could potentially be ch…

No, it's really stricter than that in my experience. You verify your software against the requirements. There shall be no deactivated code, even code which as previously flown before is not safe. See the first Ariane 5 launch for a reference. I assume that is why they removed it.

Of course, this isn't to say that Boeing doesn't have much more serious problems going on, they clearly do.

Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it

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Oh but there are criminal justice consequences if you do something TO a corporation through. Kid get a 5 year sentence for setting fire to a Macdonald's dumpster. You read that correctly, he set outside garbage on fire and will be in jail for 5 years. https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-crime/mcdonalds-employe...

Considering that the "Kid" was a 34 year old employee, that seems like a totally reasonable sentence. If I was judge/jury, I would also give 5 year sentences to arsonists. This is psychotic behavior: > Joshua Daryl McGregor, 34, was working at the restaurant on 2701 Montgomery Ave. in April 2023 when he became frustrated that the store was too busy > McGregor lit a piece of cardboard on fire and threw it into the dum…

He set fire to cardboard that was in dumpster in parking lot. This does not warrant a 5 five jail sentence.

Compare, for example, to hitting a cyclist with a car causing spinal injuries and brain damage and then fleeing the scene. He got charged with a misdemeanor and 90 days jail time which he didn't even serve because it was a suspended sentence.

What's the difference between these two cases where both seem to have wildly disproportionate sentences given the details of the crime? One was a minimum-wage macdonalds employee and the other was an investment banker.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/martin-erzinger-morgan-stanl...

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