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Jake Seliger has died

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Re: Jake Seliger has died

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Fuck cancer :(

Indeed. I had never even heard of Jake before the post a few days ago about him going into hospice, so I had no personal attachment to the guy. But even so, reading about what he and his loved ones went through struck me as brutally unfair. Nobody should have to suffer (or watch someone they love suffer) like he did. Not just the disease itself but the extreme measures he had to go through just to try to keep it at bay. May he rest in peace.

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Reading his post was like a gut punch, and I didn't even know the guy. It breaks your heart to hear someone speak with certainty about their own demise, and to face it with such grace and clarity makes it all the more heart-wrenching. It sounds like he was with his family in his final moments, and I hope he wasn't in much pain. Rest in peace.

About 160,000 people die each day on this planet. It’s probably safe to assume that a good number of them are facing it with grace and clarity. The fact that many aren’t able to, for one reason or another, is maybe more heart-breaking, in a way.

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Jake's wife on FDA deregulation https://bessstillman.substack.com/p/the-drugs-killing-dying-...

This is a complicated subject.

Because those rules are in place for reasons. And some of those reasons are to prevent drug companies from turning the poor into lab rats with no regard to their safety. And I guarantee you, you let "terminal" patients skirt rules, there will be a hell of a lot more "terminal" patients.

And I'm sure there are some non-regulation reasons to limit various therapies. They are trying to see if thing X can help. And if thing X only helps when combined with thing Y, you don't exactly get that information when focusing on thing X. Or the worse scenarios of thing Y making thing X ineffective or harmful.

This was written from a very emotional place, and understandably so. But that state means they are not exactly in a position to consider all the reasons. And it must be frustrating as hell to have tried 40 things that didn't work to only be denied the 41st because you tried too many other things. Especially if that 41st thing turns out to be something that works.

But I don't think the answer is let terminal patients take whatever they feel like.

Re: Jake Seliger has died

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Reading his post was like a gut punch, and I didn't even know the guy. It breaks your heart to hear someone speak with certainty about their own demise, and to face it with such grace and clarity makes it all the more heart-wrenching. It sounds like he was with his family in his final moments, and I hope he wasn't in much pain. Rest in peace.

After reading "A Sister’s Eulogy for Steve Jobs", I felt Steve Jobs was finally happy with the way he lived life.

Re: Jake Seliger has died

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Jake's wife on FDA deregulation https://bessstillman.substack.com/p/the-drugs-killing-dying-...

This is a complicated subject. Because those rules are in place for reasons. And some of those reasons are to prevent drug companies from turning the poor into lab rats with no regard to their safety. And I guarantee you, you let "terminal" patients skirt rules, there will be a hell of a lot more "terminal" patients. And I'm sure there are some non-regulation reasons to limit various therapies. They are trying to see…

> But I don't think the answer is let terminal patients take whatever they feel like.

I don't think anyone has the moral authority to tell anyone else what they can take, especially terminal patients.

I do, however think governments have a responsibility to regulate how drug companies conduct trials so as to minimize harm to patients. This probably has the same outcome in practice, but I find the moral distinction important.

Re: Jake Seliger has died

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It's impressive to me that Jake managed to remain involved and communicative until so near the end. I withdraw into a personal shell when I get so much as a hang nail. Respect.

As the romantic partner of someone going through a degenerative disorder and as someone who watched my grandmother be consumed by dementia I can say that it's something most people develop over time instead of being born good at.

If a hang nail is bad enough to make you withdraw then that means you don't have a lot of experience of getting sick to the point where you had to push through as it hasn't happened a lot. Over the course of the 14 years I've had with my partner (started year 15 last month!) I've seen how she's had to adapt to remain involved and communicative - and a lot of days, that's a struggle for her that she puts herself through to stay connected to the people she loves.

tl;dr: It's an adaptation, and I'm glad that you've not had to build that adaptation.

Re: Jake Seliger has died

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Reading his post was like a gut punch, and I didn't even know the guy. It breaks your heart to hear someone speak with certainty about their own demise, and to face it with such grace and clarity makes it all the more heart-wrenching. It sounds like he was with his family in his final moments, and I hope he wasn't in much pain. Rest in peace.

I just relatively recently found his posts through HN. Even though I've only read something like 5-8 posts, I quickly became "attached", for lack of a better word, as I truly enjoyed the writing and openness. It brought me closer to that kind of situation, and the people in it, than I've (yet) ever been. I wish them all the best.

Re: Jake Seliger has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a complicated subject. Because those rules are in place for reasons. And some of those reasons are to prevent drug companies from turning the poor into lab rats with no regard to their safety. And I guarantee you, you let "terminal" patients skirt rules, there will be a hell of a lot more "terminal" patients. And I'm sure there are some non-regulation reasons to limit various therapies. They are trying to see…

> But I don't think the answer is let terminal patients take whatever they feel like. I don't think anyone has the moral authority to tell anyone else what they can take, especially terminal patients. I do, however think governments have a responsibility to regulate how drug companies conduct trials so as to minimize harm to patients. This probably has the same outcome in practice, but I find the moral distinction im…

I don't think it's just that. Imagine the kind of money the more unscrupulous could make selling sugar pills for $100 each saying that it's the cure for whatever is killing you.

Desperation can cloud even the most rational of minds.

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