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Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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> Of course she would know healthy food exists: her parents show her. That is fundamentally different from a paid message. Advertising does not necessarily imply paid, but let's go down that road. How do you, and therefore your child, know how to obtain the food that your children eat? In my case, I go to the grocery store. But I only know that there that grocery store to go to because they spend quite a lot of money…

> I only know that there that grocery store to go to because they spend quite a lot of money to let it be known that they exist. And when in the grocery story, they spent quite a lot on marketing to let it be known what I can buy, healthy or otherwise. You know, there is this thing called a “map” that you can use to find places without having them advertize themselves to you. And of course grocery stores show you the…

> You know, there is this thing called a “map” that you can use to find places without having them advertize themselves to you.

A blank map will reveal business destinations? Methinks you've not thought this through.

> And of course grocery stores show you the food they sell, how else would they sell it?

It is not unheard of to see counter service, with the food hidden away in the back. Presenting the food can be deferred until after the sale is made. Ordering online for pickup (or perhaps delivery, although that is less common around here) has also become quite popular, which definitely means you aren't seeing the food beforehand. Most grocery stores try to go for the wholesale experience nowadays because it is a great way to advertise the products, sure, but it is not a strict requirement. Methinks you've not thought this through.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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What would it look like when it is being used for good? Not being a smartass implying its existence, legitimately wondering.

There's lots of products that people really need and could help improve their lives, but they don't know about the existence of the problem/solution. For example "Hey do you have hip pain when walking down the stairs? Turns out this is extremely common and we solved it with this special walking stick. Click here to buy the walking stick" "Were you an Iraq war veteran who served between 2004 and 2006? Turns out the go…

I can not recall a single time in my 28 years on this earth where I have seen an advertisement I deemed useful. It is safe to say that falls in this category, would make homeopaths question it's existence.

Anyway, this argument falls flat in a world where the internet exists. All the world's information is easily accessible out there.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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"We're sorry." This is not surprising. Google has a history violating the privacy of and targetting ads to not only teenagers, but children: - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/business/youtube-ads-kids... - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/business/media/youtube-ki... - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/20/business/media/google-you... - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/technology/google-youtube... - https://www.n…

Not allowing advertising to children I think isn't the correct route for society. Instead we should prevent children having money. Until you're 16, you may not handle money. You may not buy things for money. You may not sell things. You may not enter into contracts to exchange money. Your parents however can do all of those things on your behalf. At that point, advertising to children no longer is relevant - the chil…

That just means advertisers need to manipulate children into pressuring parents. Not a good social dynamic.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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The line has to go up, and the slack has to be taken out of every last source of revenue. Like that story that was here yesterday about insurance companies monitoring customer's insured assets with drones and AI. Every unexploited dollar left on the table is slack, and a perfect market leaves no dollar unexploited. Therefore a more perfect market can be built with more perfect machine-powered decisions to more perfec…

You’re on a website run by venture capitalists who use this platform to increase the value of their portfolios… so unless you’re an agent provocateur, your comment needs to be read as ironic performance art because I hate to break it to you - you’re also part of the problem

There is no ethical consumption while living a capitalist way of life.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.

You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.

– Banksy

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the wor…

"Advertising Shits in Your Head" is a good book for further reading on this

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I remember a ton of vaping threads extoling the idea vaping was totally safe on Reddit. When people brought up the possible negative side effects of vaping they were routinely downvoted into oblivion. Nobody wanted to believe vaping was dangerous are could have harmful side effects.

What are the harmful side effects if you don't have a preexisting health condition?

I can only answer anecdotally from my personal experience but: frequent coughing while not vaping, chest pain, very obviously reduced cardiovascular capacity and increased fatigue during my workouts.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Sure it doesn't ALL go in their pockets. https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2022/ The average CEO nowadays is paid 344 times more than an average worker, while in 1978 this figure was "only" 21 times. And indeed, lots of it goes to prevent serious penalties, like lawyering-up, lobbying, (deceitful) media campaigns, bribing "scientists" and "doctors", etc. Just look at Big Tobacco's playbook: https://en.wikipe…

> it's capitalism to blame it doesn’t matter how many times this is said, rational people know the issue is with humans and not capitalism. we can’t keep giving human behavior a pass and blaming systems that literally cannot take any action on their own. we see this with guns as well, the problem is not the system nor the laws, the problem is people. i wish you luck in fixing people, as many have tried before you and…

The solution to guns is simple. Ban guns and make ownership hard.

It's the same reason you don't allow 10 year-olds to operate a vehicle, cause it can be a danger to society.

> it doesn’t matter how many times this is said, rational people know the issue is with humans and not capitalism.

This statement is the equivalent of hand waving. Capitalism is a system made by humans, it's not some divine order. We have toppled other flawed systems in the past, feudalism (kings and queens heads were rolling), slavery, and we can do the same with capitalism.

These large complex systems have a life on their own and are susceptible to laws that individuals within can't predict/influence, so it's not human nature. Humans are largely compassionate, cooperative creatures. But the system in which we are placed influences our behavior to a huge extent. In this case, the system is definitely the problem, because it has bugs and corner cases that make it collapse, one way or another, and behavior that we consider "bad" to flourish.

Capitalism, let's call it for what it is, has become money-based feudalism where the most ruthless and sociopathic people "succeed". How else would you call Big Tobacco's disinformation campaigns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Frank_Statement#. This purposeful misinformation of the public is surely evil. How else would you call tobacco execs' behavior if not evil and sociopathic? The capitalistic system is basically cutthroat lying and stealing and extraction of value with a false veneer of fairness and law.

- Theoretically, we are all equal in front of the law. In practice, the rich can lawyer up and get away with things that a normal person wouldn't be able to

- Theoretically, all of us, through hard work and enterprise, can "succeed" in capitalism. In practice, it's much more important who your daddy is, where you were born, and where you studied (which is also influenced by money)

- Theoretically, the government system in which we participate has elected bodies which are supposed to protect us from harm (e.g pollution, climate change, etc). In practice, money has allowed large corporation to buy politicians, lobbyists, campaign time, influence public opinion, etc.

So, you see, in capitalism, the system is very very rigged, it promises one thing, but, behind the scenes, it's all about money. Everything is optimized for money, everything else is thrown out of the window (including people, nature, morals). There is only one option to defeat this rigged system, and that's not individual action, it's collective action.

Strikes work, greedy corps can't actually survive without their workers doing the work.

The pandemic made many people re-evaluate what's important, and we saw that it's the lower paid professions that were the "essential ones": nurses, delivery drivers, sanitation, etc. Why are they lower paid then?

Now we are back to pretending nothing ever happened and corporations really hard are trying to make it business as usual again, trying to put you back to the office, trying to raise their prices and blame it on inflation.

But guess what: with the fabrics of society unraveling together with the natural world, when there is no drinkable water and no food to eat, and fires are raging everywhere, you will realize that capitalism was the cancer causing all this. You'd be regretting you didn't band up with others and acted up sooner.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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This reads like a tragic story. Once you've collected enough data on every internet user out there to group them into different advertising cohorts, the remaining ungrouped users, by process of elimination (due to privacy or targeted advertising laws), are children; and now they can be targeted just as easily.

This sounds eerily familiar with how big tobacco targeted underage kids to get them hooked on their products in the 60's and 70's.

I remember from my 80's/90's childhood candy cigarettes [essentially sugar compressed into long cylinders]... just the other day, at a Southern US sporting goods store, I saw "Big Chew Gum," which had a baseball player with a wad of tobacco ("gum") in his mouth.

Thought this was strange, as chewing tobacco is probably more addictive than cigarettes, and the gum's packaging was clearly set at child-height.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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This is deluded. "Capitalism" is not "structured" in this way at all. This is a failure of regulation , and it's extremely easy to see why: because competent regulators would take anticompetitive action against large monopolies like Google and Meta, as well as enacting laws to prevent undesirable things like personal data being sold. > The perverse incentives of capitalism will never create good social change ...and…

> This is deluded. "Capitalism" is not "structured" in this way at all. This is a failure of regulation

I do agree with you that this is a failure of regulation. However, in the stage of capitalism we are currently in, capitalism actively FIGHTS regulation.

Whether it's lobbyism, hiring "scientists" to challenge independent studies, outright tax evasion, or simply accepting fines for disaster after disaster (oil spills, bad plane design, data sales) because they can afford it. Hell, politicians now are deregulating our countries by privatising or de-funding branch after branch (see the NHS in the UK).

Capitalism at its current stage is just a giant fire-sale, and our governments are as deeply involved as the corporations, not out of maliciousness, but due to how the system naturally drags everybody and everything in, with its need for constant growth. You know what else constantly grows? Tumors.

Sure we do need powerful regulation and regulation enforcement, but we also need to think whether a system that produces statements like this: https://jacobin.com/2022/05/pete-buttigieg-free-market-hungr...

"Pete Buttigieg: Hungry Babies, Regrettably, Are Just the Price of the Free Market"

Is worth preserving.

I'd say not, and I will work my best to dismantle it and throw it in the past, where it belongs, along with slavery, feudalism, fascism and other obsolete and harmful human societal arrangements.

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