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Re: Medieval

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Post by lewisflude »

whstl wrote: post #253
lewisflude wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also reminds me of how a lot of the most coveted guitars, pedals, amps weren't selected by the guitarists who made iconic because they had some sort of secret sauce in them, but literally because they were the cheapest/most convenient thing available at the time. Also, I love the sound of a good crunchy 15w practise amp. I think one day those old zoom pedals and the Line 6 bean will be highly coveted!

It was like that with Jazzmasters and Big Muffs. And even Les Pauls in the 60s and 80s. They were just cheap and widely available used and out of fashion, but then someone started using it again and the prices just exploded.

The Mascis effect

Re: Medieval

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Post by kashyapc »

criddell wrote: post #310
kashyapc wrote: post #214

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Very well said on gear-trap. Last night I was watching an old video[1] of the kind of gear Ólafur Arnalds uses. I was amazed and aghast at the amount of expensive "outboard" gear and other vintage hardware such as "compressors", "filter banks", "levelling amplifiers", Korg PS-3100, a vintage analog synthesizer which costs more than 20,000 (!) euros,tape recorders, etc. Many of these things I didn't even know existed.…

> "if only I get that Roland Juno-60, I'll make more awesome music" But you might! A new instrument can inspire you and make you want to play more music and that can lead to improvement. All things considered, the Medieval isn't all that expensive. All you are really risking is approx. $100 if buying new (because you can resell on eBay) and practically nothing if you buy it used.

I agree; a new instrument can inspire you. But many people tend to fall into the so-called "gear trap", especially those of us who work in tech.

I was not referring to the "Medieval" in specific, but just lamenting about losing the forest for the trees. It's a bit like the monthly, "the perfect note-taking tool" discussion cycle we get into here on HN.

If you're conscious of the potential gear trap, more power to you. :-)

Re: Medieval

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Post by gorgoiler »

lewispollard wrote: post #325
gorgoiler wrote: post #54

It’s fascinating trying to play any kind of tune on the pads of this device when in “keys” mode. I have the sibling model and find it almost impossible to produce anything that sounds “normal”. I don’t really mind — it’s hardly meant to be a piano after all — and it certainly makes for an interesting phenomenon. It’s also one I think the designers nod to: the pads can be retuned to different scales suggesting a compl…

> the pads can be retuned to different scales suggesting a complete break from any kind of equal temperament octaves. I was kind of curious about this since in the medieval era, equal temperament wasn't used very much. But it just allows retuning to major/minor and modes in equal temperament, as far as I can tell. Would be an excellent device for medieval music if it could be tuned to meantone, Pythagorean and so on!

The version I have, the KO II EP-133, has the following scales:

  - Equal Temperament
  - Major (Ionian)
  - Minor (Aeolian)
  - Dorian
  - Phrygian
  - Lydian
  - Mixolydian
  - Locrian
  - Major Pentatonic
  - Minor Pentatonic
https://teenage.engineering/guides/ep-133/how-to#12.2-change...

Re: Medieval

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Post by drewbeck »

fiatpandas wrote: post #36

Don’t miss the lovingly crafted manual: https://teenage.engineering/guides/ep-1320 Looks great blown up on a 4K monitor due to extensive use of SVG.

This is pretty but all caps for body text is pretty inexcusable. So much harder to read!

Re: Medieval

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Post by yzzyx »

b1n wrote: post #28

Nice 'Holy Mountain' vibes in the promo video. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Mountain_(1973_film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdXGhsAynGI

One of my all time favorite movies! And definitely agreed, I'd be curious to know if there was any direct inspiration

Re: Medieval

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Post by lewispollard »

gorgoiler wrote: post #333
lewispollard wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the pads can be retuned to different scales suggesting a complete break from any kind of equal temperament octaves. I was kind of curious about this since in the medieval era, equal temperament wasn't used very much. But it just allows retuning to major/minor and modes in equal temperament, as far as I can tell. Would be an excellent device for medieval music if it could be tuned to meantone, Pythagorean and so on!

The version I have, the KO II EP-133, has the following scales: - Equal Temperament - Major (Ionian) - Minor (Aeolian) - Dorian - Phrygian - Lydian - Mixolydian - Locrian - Major Pentatonic - Minor Pentatonic https://teenage.engineering/guides/ep-133/how-to#12.2-change...

Yes, exactly - minor/major and modes in 12TET (as well as pentatonic but that's just major/minor with fewer notes).

What would be interesting with this synth (something other synths, like my Korg Monologue, can do) is being able to tune to different temperaments, i.e. not 12 TET - for this synth especially, since 12 TET was rarely used in the medieval period in favour of pythagorean or meantone tuning.

Re: Medieval

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Post by gorgoiler »

lewispollard wrote: post #336
gorgoiler wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The version I have, the KO II EP-133, has the following scales: - Equal Temperament - Major (Ionian) - Minor (Aeolian) - Dorian - Phrygian - Lydian - Mixolydian - Locrian - Major Pentatonic - Minor Pentatonic https://teenage.engineering/guides/ep-133/how-to#12.2-change...

Yes, exactly - minor/major and modes in 12TET (as well as pentatonic but that's just major/minor with fewer notes). What would be interesting with this synth (something other synths, like my Korg Monologue, can do) is being able to tune to different temperaments, i.e. not 12 TET - for this synth especially, since 12 TET was rarely used in the medieval period in favour of pythagorean or meantone tuning.

Thanks for elaborating. I should have been clearer that I was just quoting the docs and have no idea what I’m talking about. Your comments have given me some interesting things to read (listen?) up on, later :)

Re: Medieval

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Post by lewispollard »

gorgoiler wrote: post #337
lewispollard wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly - minor/major and modes in 12TET (as well as pentatonic but that's just major/minor with fewer notes). What would be interesting with this synth (something other synths, like my Korg Monologue, can do) is being able to tune to different temperaments, i.e. not 12 TET - for this synth especially, since 12 TET was rarely used in the medieval period in favour of pythagorean or meantone tuning.

Thanks for elaborating. I should have been clearer that I was just quoting the docs and have no idea what I’m talking about. Your comments have given me some interesting things to read (listen?) up on, later :)

If you like synths/electronic music, and you're interested in listening to music in other temperaments/tunings, check out the artist Sevish. He also designed a web app for creating alternate tunings: https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop

Re: Medieval

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Post by phatskat »

thom wrote: post #190

I've managed to convince myself over the years I wouldn't actually use any of Teenage Engineering's stuff, however I might lust after it. But 200 hours of Manor Lords and a Lankum gig later, this was the fastest £249 I've ever spent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mRQK9kCHA

I was pining for an OP-1 for yeaaaars. I finally got one a few years ago and just picked up a field, and I’ve got a couple of the POM line now too. No regrets, all super fun. Wiring the POM 400 to my controller is very satisfying

Re: Medieval

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Post by sizzle »

diggan wrote: post #318
sizzle wrote: post #315

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I have an Elektron Octatrack I turned one twice collecting dust. Want to buy it or know the best way I can sell it to someone who will love it to make music?

https://www.elektronauts.com/categories has "Marketplace" category once you're logged in, bunch of music fans there who'd be happy to purchase it I'm sure :)

Awesome thanks!!
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