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Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by theogravity »

As someone who came from Auth0 and god-awful Amazon Cognito, we've been using FusionAuth for years. Their APIs and SDKs have been amazing to work with.

They even have a lambda feature to add additional logic around certain workflows or adding claims to your JWTs.

https://fusionauth.io

It does what Auth0 does but significantly more cheaper and you can also self-host if you want.

I built the Pulimi plugin for it which helps us easily configure it. If you don't use Terraform or Pulumi, they have this really cool kickstart feature where you can define a config file that will call their APIs on first time startup to set up the server. Really useful for local dev.

Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by rsyring »

nobleach wrote: post #20

I notice you're mentioning: "We support Next.js frontends" and "Idiomatic Next.js APIs". What is it about your product that is NextJS specific? Can someone who has no interest in using NextJS still use your product?

From the OP:

> Though, we do have a well-documented REST API (https://docs.stack-auth.com/rest-api/auth), so you can access Stack from any language.

Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by rudasn »

This looks very refreshing! Congrats for officially launching,I think StackAuth was mentioned here before.

What are your plans for supporting "old school" frameworks, like django, rails, bootstrap, et al?

I know that it makes sense to target greenfield projects first, and I presume most new projects are started with some new cool tech (if looking at npm downloads or some other vanity metric or online questionnaire), but I think there's a long tail of users of other tech that would potentially provide high quality feedback based on real world experience at various settings.

I'm only saying this as it looks like you want to own the whole auth stack, all the layers and all the workflows, from dba to sales so to speak.

Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by vhfdbbvfdv »

n2d4 wrote: post #10
esafak wrote: post #8

I'd suggest preparing a comparison table on the home page, at least against open source competitors, to help prospects decide. You emphasize completeness (authz + authn), and simplicity here: The dominant player in this space is Auth0, who appeals to enterprises but lags behind in developer-friendliness and has strong vendor lock-in. A newer one is Clerk, which markets directly to devs, but is still entirely propriet…

Appreciate the feedback! We have the following in our GitHub README, which we should probably copy to our frontpage: > # How is this different from X? > > Ask yourself about X: > > - Is X open-source? > > - Is X developer-friendly, well-documented, and lets you get started in minutes? > > - Besides authentication, does X also do authorization and user management (see feature list below)? > > If you answered "no" to a…

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Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by hoofhearted »

This is pretty awesome and well encompassing for basic authentication!

Congratulations on the launch Zai and Konsti!

I’m working on a hobby project that I had to build in basic email password auth using Auth.js due to a clients specific requirement.

I’ve experienced all the headaches you mentioned above, so I’ll be certainly taking a deeper look into this.

Again, great work!

Cheers!

Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by n2d4 »

paulirwin wrote: post #18

Congrats on the launch! This looks great. I see you plan on making money by charging for the hosted service. Given that, and given recent history in the industry with companies starting out with this model only to rug-pull it from users later and move to a more restrictive license, can you publicly commit to keeping the code MIT/AGPLv3-licensed into the future?

Yes. Both Zai and I care a lot about FOSS — we also believe that open-source business models work, and that most proprietary devtools will slowly but surely be replaced by open-source alternatives. Our monetization strategy is very similar to Supabase — build in the open, and then charge for hosting and support. Also, we reject any investors that don't commit to the same beliefs.

Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by n2d4 »

nobleach wrote: post #20

I notice you're mentioning: "We support Next.js frontends" and "Idiomatic Next.js APIs". What is it about your product that is NextJS specific? Can someone who has no interest in using NextJS still use your product?

Our backend and dashboard are language-agnostic, and you can access their REST API from anywhere. However, there is a Next.js SDK with server & client components, hooks, and functions that integrate very deeply into the framework — that one is Next.js-only.

We also have a setup wizard, which installs Stack Auth into your project, which works only on Next.js apps with the app router. It's as simple as:

    npx @stackframe/init-stack@latest

Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by n2d4 »

rudasn wrote: post #24

This looks very refreshing! Congrats for officially launching,I think StackAuth was mentioned here before. What are your plans for supporting "old school" frameworks, like django, rails, bootstrap, et al? I know that it makes sense to target greenfield projects first, and I presume most new projects are started with some new cool tech (if looking at npm downloads or some other vanity metric or online questionnaire),…

Indeed, we launched an MVP in Show HN a few months ago — dang messaged us and said we should apply to YC, which we did, and now we're launching here again, officially. :D

We will definitely support those frameworks too, eventually. Though, we think that each integration must be done very carefully — we'd rather have excellent support for one framework and capture its entire audience before going horizontally, than ten mediocre integrations that give our users a headache on setup. We went for Next.js first because a) it's the most popular JS framework for new projects right now, and b) existing Next.js auth is pretty shit.

Re: Launch HN: Stack Auth (YC S24) – An Open-Source Auth0/Clerk Alternative

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Post by jay-barronville »

This is really awesome. On almost every project I’ve worked on, I’ve never been able to trust and truly rely on proprietary services and companies to handle my authentication and authorization. I’ve been forced (i.e., it was already decided) to use Auth0 before and I hated every minute of it.

Congratulations on launching Stack Auth and providing a better alternative!!!

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