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Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#201
I recently fixed a Firefox bug to allow easier tab management in FF extensions. My hope is that extensions like Tree Style Tab or Sidebery benefit from my improvements. I love them!

Title: Updated openerTabId is not notified via tabs.onUpdated if it is changed by tabs.update()

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1409262

https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D164982#7511767

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#202

Vertical tab: this is the 1st in my wishlist. I switched to Vivaldi before because of this. Can't wait to try it out.

I don't understand this. Sideberry is literally 1:1 feature parity and had existed for 5 years. Whereas this is not the 'tab grouping' that they promised and have been talking about for 3 years. This is a massive disappointment.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#203
post #92

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Arc browser does this, you should check that out

And it also as vertical tabs! Just checked out Arc. Very innovative design. I guess it's inspired by mobile browsers.

Seems to me that Arc is inspired by Operating Systems in general.

- Workspaces/Desktops with mouse gestures - Spotlight like Quick Launch - Alt Tab like Tab switch - Window management within the browser - Dedicated area for Media control - Widgets on mouse hover

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#204
I just tried it, and it is not worth it, it just shows flat column of favicons without titles, it is better to install TreeStyleTab and disable OS window titlebar like this https://i.imgur.com/jnEXiPU.png so address bar in custom titlebar height is only 34px. I hate material design that still echoes useless whitespace everywhere.

https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo...

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#206
post #69

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> They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and innovate more I'm just as excited as you are for side tabs, but I don't think browsers need to be constantly innovating their UI. In fact, the last time Firefox did that it took a week of tinkering to get it back to a usable state, and I now have the constant "Compact (Unsupported)" layout hovering over me, reminding me that one day I'll probably have t…

It's a catch-22 because if you stop innovating your UI for 20 years and alternatives come up with something people actually like then you will lose users to them and slowly fade into irrelevancy. Firefox succeeded because it was a fresh take on the entire browser UX at a time when Internet Explorer had been stagnant for half a decade.

As I remember it, Firefox succeeded because it fundamentally worked well and was very configurable, not because of the UX. The others at the time were bad at both of those things.

The UX of Firefox was (and, I'd argue, still is) not great, but it made up for that by being configurable enough that you could fix it for yourself.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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post #86

I used to be a tree-style-tabs power user but at some point I went back to regular tabs. I find that the amount of horizontal tab space is pretty close to the actual number of things I can usefully have open at once. Seeing the tabs get "squished" is my reminder to close the ones I no longer need. I was using the tab-state as a sort of short-term working memory and I don't think it was doing me any favours, particula…

You must not had ADD :-). I currently have 2630 tabs in my main window (I admit I may need to prune that down _just a bit_). But that many tabs can only happen with a vertical tab-bar. I started with tree-style tabs but I'm now using "Sideberry" which seems to be a little nicer.

I assure you, that many tabs can certainly happen with the standard horizontal tab bar..

I have a similar amount regularly, and have never tried vertical tabs. I did recently start using all tabs helper though.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS window managers do a better job of that. Split view inside the browser has some thorny issues around making sure the user knows what resource they are interacting with. There is a lot of complexity when it comes to focus/blur in HTML, CSS, JS, etc.

The cat was out of the bag, when browsers got tabs. They are already tiny window managers, and may as well lean into it.

No they’re not.

Tabs are tabs, they’re not windows. Next thing you tell me is that they should implement virtual desktops and loading tabs remotely.

They are already tiny window managers, and may as well lean into it.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#210
For some reason, I just remembered that OS/2 put window tabs on the side. Though looking at a screenshot now [1], I didn't remember it was done in a skeuomorphic, 3D way, which definitely takes away from their usefulness. Still, what's old is new again.

1. https://files.support.epson.com/htmldocs/c82422/c82422rf/ima...

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