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How Depressives Surf the Web

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Re: How Depressives Surf the Web

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Fascinating stuff. Just today I was looking at the 30-40 tabs I bring up each time I start Chrome and I was wondering: doest having all this data in front of me help me remember to do various internet chores? Or does it get in the way? Better still, is it a sign I'm actually experiencing some other condition that shows itself in my context-switching? I think there's something to this.

Having said that, I found this worrying:

We hope to use our findings to develop a software application that could be installed on home computers and mobile devices. It would monitor your Internet usage and alert you when your usage patterns might signal symptoms of depression. This would not replace the function of mental health professionals, but it could be a cost-effective way to prompt people to seek medical help early. It might also be a tool for parents to monitor the mood-related Internet usage patterns of their children.

One of the things I've noticed over the period of creating a lot of applications and sites is that any interaction with a computer can be interpreted in the opposite way from which it was intended. (I nominate this as Markham's Law of Technology Reciprocity) Upvote an article on HN? You're not just tagging articles for quality, the system is also tagging you to see what kinds of articles you upvote (whether or not that information is used or not is not important here). Have a lot of tabs on your browser and switch between them? You're not just engaging sites with the browser; the browser is also engaging you on how you spend your time. Show Facebook who you would like to invite to be a friend? Facebook is watching who you pick as folks you want to associate with socially. You are not just interacting with the net; the net is closely watching you. It's a two-way street.

This can lead to some scary places. Having a computer monitor my actions and "help" me identify my emotional state and mental health could be awesome -- or it could be a tool that lets outsiders climb inside my head in ways no human has ever dreamed of before. If you think keeping your DNA information secret is important, you'll be having heart palpitations when you start thinking this stuff through. There's this world of data mining out there that mostly has to do with your internal thoughts, beliefs, and emotions. I'll repeat: I think this is a good thing. But hell if I'm happy about the trend in general.

Re: How Depressives Surf the Web

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Well, this article started interesting, and ended in a somewhat scary proposal that universities log students' internet usage and data-mine it using robo-depression-screening software that would report them to counselors. The caveat ("raises privacy concerns that would have to be addressed") does not really reassure me...

My hope is that's just a cynical eye-on-funding thing thrown in, and the researchers are really interested in the science, only gesturing towards this other suggestion as a way of ticking the "potential future applications" box that funding agencies like. But it's hard to tell.

Re: How Depressives Surf the Web

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I don't understand how they correlated what they defined as depressive internet usage to depressive people while retaining peoples privacy.

Also, I don't think and application that pops up and says "You are acting depressed" is going to help very much.

Re: How Depressives Surf the Web

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Well, this article started interesting, and ended in a somewhat scary proposal that universities log students' internet usage and data-mine it using robo-depression-screening software that would report them to counselors. The caveat ("raises privacy concerns that would have to be addressed") does not really reassure me... My hope is that's just a cynical eye-on-funding thing thrown in, and the researchers are really…

Also in the past we have learned that there is many times a huge gap between how a technology could be used and how it actually ends up being used.

Re: How Depressives Surf the Web

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Looks like the entire population of HN is in line for some Zoloft. That and I can now refer to the number of tabs I have open as my flow duration entropy number.

Exactly.. So basically people who are engaged fully in the "web" experience are depressed?

> So basically people who are engaged fully in the "web" experience are depressed?

How could you read comments on HN, reddit and youtube and not be depressed?

Re: How Depressives Surf the Web

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Admittedly this article a high-level overview, but I see a lot of hand-waving use of statistical terms.

For example, how is “30 percent of the participants met the criteria for depressive symptoms” in line with “10 to 40 percent of college students at some point experience such symptoms”. It’s not: 30% have depressive symptoms now vs 10% having symptoms at some point? One of those two numbers is way off, or they are comparing apples to oranges.

There is no mention of how strong the correlations are (though one would expect such in the full paper). This is a small number of people – around 200 – all of which are of a similar age & occupation.

The idea that this evidence would lead one to consider monitoring implies a certainty and generality about the results which appears unjustified.

Re: How Depressives Surf the Web

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P2P? Oh, you must be depressed.

Use the internet more often or leave your computer on? Depressed!

Tend to surf the web and a variety of sites? How haven't you killed yourself by now?

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