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Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by brookst »

moffkalast wrote: post #67
imiric wrote: post #22

"We're sorry." This is not surprising. Google has a history violating the privacy of and targetting ads to not only teenagers, but children: - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/business/youtube-ads-kids... - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/business/media/youtube-ki... - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/20/business/media/google-you... - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/technology/google-youtube... - https://www.n…

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> EU: creates regulation that makes doing that thing illegal

That’s a huge fallacy. For the most part complaints about the EU regulatory fetish are about the way regulations don’t make it clear what is legal to do.

So yeah, the EU outlaws some bad behavior, but also lots of innocuous behavior, with a “spirit of the law” enforcement regime. So nobody actually knows what’s legal.

I’m surprised that’s not well understood. The complaints aren’t about regulation, they’re about intentional uncertainty that allows for selective enforcement (coincidentally always against non-EU companies) with outcomes that can’t be predicted in advance and penalties that far outweigh potential profits from a medium sized market.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by piva00 »

geodel wrote: post #73
moffkalast wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Well it is same thing that people complaining about low tech salaries in Europe and people praising EU privacy laws at the same time. Without ever thinking that million dollars TC at SV companies comes at cost of privacy and livelihood of billion less fortunate people.

Also not considering that it's not that salaries in the EU are low compared to global standards, it's that the USA has absurdly ridiculous salaries. The outlier are US salaries, no other country (I think not even Switzerland) can get that high.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by will1am »

moffkalast wrote: post #67
imiric wrote: post #22

"We're sorry." This is not surprising. Google has a history violating the privacy of and targetting ads to not only teenagers, but children: - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/business/youtube-ads-kids... - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/business/media/youtube-ki... - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/20/business/media/google-you... - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/technology/google-youtube... - https://www.n…

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Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by piva00 »

brookst wrote: post #91
moffkalast wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> EU: creates regulation that makes doing that thing illegal That’s a huge fallacy. For the most part complaints about the EU regulatory fetish are about the way regulations don’t make it clear what is legal to do. So yeah, the EU outlaws some bad behavior, but also lots of innocuous behavior, with a “spirit of the law” enforcement regime. So nobody actually knows what’s legal. I’m surprised that’s not well understoo…

> So yeah, the EU outlaws some bad behavior, but also lots of innocuous behavior, with a “spirit of the law” enforcement regime. So nobody actually knows what’s legal.

There are edge cases but the directives are quite clear most of the time. It's much better than regulations that are interpreted literally, and have huge gaping loopholes to be exploited by companies spending millions on lawyers.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by will1am »

a2128 wrote: post #15

This reads like a tragic story. Once you've collected enough data on every internet user out there to group them into different advertising cohorts, the remaining ungrouped users, by process of elimination (due to privacy or targeted advertising laws), are children; and now they can be targeted just as easily.

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Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by piva00 »

brainwad wrote: post #10
esperent wrote: post #7

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The main problem is that it's targeted advertising of children.

So is all the advertising run during morning cartoons, and that targets an even younger demo than 13-17 year olds.

Children can't interact with these ads to get into the wheel of more ads targeting their specific tastes. Very different level, and degree.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by vitus »

piva00 wrote: post #92
geodel wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it is same thing that people complaining about low tech salaries in Europe and people praising EU privacy laws at the same time. Without ever thinking that million dollars TC at SV companies comes at cost of privacy and livelihood of billion less fortunate people.

Also not considering that it's not that salaries in the EU are low compared to global standards, it's that the USA has absurdly ridiculous salaries. The outlier are US salaries, no other country (I think not even Switzerland) can get that high.

FWIW Switzerland is the only country outside the US where Google pays comparable salaries to Mountain View / NYC (as in: over the past 4 years or so, it's actually been hovering around 99-104% of Mountain View salaries, depending on exchange rates).

(The only other location that keeps pace with any US salary bands is Israel / the Tel Aviv office.)

The cost of living in Zurich is quite something, though...

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by troupo »

brookst wrote: post #91
moffkalast wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> EU: creates regulation that makes doing that thing illegal That’s a huge fallacy. For the most part complaints about the EU regulatory fetish are about the way regulations don’t make it clear what is legal to do. So yeah, the EU outlaws some bad behavior, but also lots of innocuous behavior, with a “spirit of the law” enforcement regime. So nobody actually knows what’s legal. I’m surprised that’s not well understoo…

Laws cannot describe every single intricacy of all possible human behaviour and activities, news at 11.

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by troupo »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #70
moffkalast wrote: post #67

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Because when they try to solve it the solution is us navigating a cookie dialog puzzle where if we lose we give up our privacy. The setting could have just been a browser toggle, but because of government incompetence every publisher gets to skirt the guidelines and trick or frustrate people into clicking accept. You can be against the problem and against incompetents forcing bad solutions at a government level or us…

> Because when they try to solve it the solution is us navigating a cookie dialog puzzle

Please show me where exactly EU laws mandate the cookie dialog puzzle.

> The setting could have just been a browser toggle,

Yes, it could've, and browsers have now had 6 years to implement it. Instead, the industry decided that obnoxious cookie banners are the way to go.

> against incompetents forcing bad solutions

Which solution is forced by EU laws, and can you quote me the exact wording that forces this solution?

Re: Google and Meta struck secret ads deal to target teenagers

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Post by codr7 »

hn72774 wrote: post #83
immibis wrote: post #75

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This is not the first time I'm hearing someone say free speech is violence, but it is the first time they actually meant it about free speech and weren't covering up something else by calling it that.

Not who shared that but there's a concept of non-violent communication that they may be referring to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication Coercion -> force -> violence Forcing ads onto kids = violence?

From my experience, that concept is mostly used as weapon and shield by the worst kind of people, to let them get away with their manipulative bs.

Speaking clearly sometimes means saying things that are uncomfortable to hear.

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