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Re: Medieval

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Post by tzs »

apitman wrote: post #16

If you've never heard of bardcore it's well worth a google

An interesting video came up on my YouTube recommendations last month that compares bardcore (and neo-medieval) to actual medieval music [1].

Western music underwent a huge change after medieval times moving from a modal system to a tonal system. Bardcore is tonal music trying to evoke a medieval vibe, and it often succeeds quite well...but it is still far different from what actual medieval music would have sounded like. If you like bardcore but are curious what historically accurate medieval music would have been like, you might enjoy the video.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6_8ZEhmaGE

Re: Medieval

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Post by rjh29 »

subjectsigma wrote: post #280
eweise wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the stuff seems way overpriced https://teenage.engineering/products/field-desk Looks like a $100 desk for $1,600

This is the 10,000th time someone has posted TE products to HN and said they're overpriced. They make high-end luxury products for rich people, if you think it's too expensive then you're not the target audience. This is like saying a Lamborghini is too expensive because you can by a Toyota that does 90% of the same stuff for a fifth of the cost. Every one knows, that's the point. I mean I get it, I would never buy a…

Probably resentment because the original OP-1 was not crazily priced for its novelty and feature set. Once it got popular it rose from $800 to $1400 and the new OP-1 Field is $2000.

And the KO-II series is actually reasonably priced by their standards!

Re: Medieval

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Post by rjh29 »

siquick wrote: post #156

I’ve been producing music on both software and hardware for 20 years. Borrowed the EP-133 KO II from a mate and found it to be highly initiative and pure style over substance. I don’t get what its selling point is. OP-1 I can understand but this thing is pointless. But at least the layout follows she Golden Ratio I guess.

If you want to make real music you buy a laptop. It's just a fun musical toy.

Re: Medieval

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Post by rjh29 »

kstrauser wrote: post #74
whatshisface wrote: post #39

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I think their target audience are well-heeled Apple customers who like to imagine that they are musicians. Hacker culture doesn't have a "collector of expensive African originals" role, so "amateur who collects equipment far out of proportion to the time they invest in using any of it" has formed to collect the same psychological energy. It's about the combination of the creator fantasy on the surface backed up by th…

You’re not totally wrong, just mostly. I use Apple stuff. I bought an EP-133 at launch. That part was true. I also spent thousands of hours with a MIDI setup on my Amiga when I was in high school, teaching myself how to program the little FM synth my parents bought me for Christmas, and learning the theory of what makes a drum pattern sound good. I don’t have thousands of hours available anymore. I still want to dabb…

Gear snobbery is so dumb when 99% of musicians are using a laptop... for the majority of people, all synths and grooveboxes are toys.

Re: Medieval

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Post by lewispollard »

gorgoiler wrote: post #54

It’s fascinating trying to play any kind of tune on the pads of this device when in “keys” mode. I have the sibling model and find it almost impossible to produce anything that sounds “normal”. I don’t really mind — it’s hardly meant to be a piano after all — and it certainly makes for an interesting phenomenon. It’s also one I think the designers nod to: the pads can be retuned to different scales suggesting a compl…

> the pads can be retuned to different scales suggesting a complete break from any kind of equal temperament octaves.

I was kind of curious about this since in the medieval era, equal temperament wasn't used very much. But it just allows retuning to major/minor and modes in equal temperament, as far as I can tell. Would be an excellent device for medieval music if it could be tuned to meantone, Pythagorean and so on!

Re: Medieval

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Post by cnity »

csmpltn wrote: post #227
cnity wrote: post #125

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There's sort of two ways to look at the Teenage Engineering products. The first is as a tool to produce music, and the second is as a kind of interactive sculpture. The design and production of these things is so good they are almost like art themselves. Are they useful? Not really, you could achieve the same thing with a VST — hardware isn't required for this — but to think in this way is to miss the point. Are scul…

This is a digital hardware synth that makes sword-clinking sounds. It goes for 300 USD. This is maybe half a step above a fart cushion. There’s no need to buy this whatsoever…

I won't be buying it either, but there is merit to understanding when you are not in a target market!

Re: Medieval

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Post by pgt »

donaldihunter wrote: post #229
pgt wrote: post #169

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“Regular people use their speakers to listen to your music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their speakers.” — Alan Parsons

I don't think that was said by Alan Parsons. It was by a slashdotter in response to an Alan Parsons interview: https://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2663265&c...

Thanks, H/T to Tackhead then!

Re: Medieval

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Post by worthless-trash »

inciampati wrote: post #150
22c wrote: post #26

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Yes, is this a slight hardware refresh to the EP-133 with a new skin and different factory presets? The KO-1 had a similar "Street Fighter" edition, which could be loaded with the original PO-33 samples. Are there any reasons not to buy this over the EP-133 from a pure capability standpoint? I wish the marketing were a bit clearer on that front, seems we need to intuit this by diving into the specs and capabilities o…

Did they resolve the intense hardware bugs with the EP-133? I haven't been following after basically giving up on TE due to this (EP-133) being the second time they sold me a lemon.

Do you mean slidergate, if so, yes thats solved. I still use mine regularly without significant issues.

Re: Medieval

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Post by type0 »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #164

I love the blackletter style 7-seg display. Seems like the people at TE have fun over-designing gadgets that are more aesthetic than usable. Good for them that they've managed to make a viable business out of it.

the product target audience is dungeons'n'dragons hipster nerds who are mildly interested in sampling gear, don't know anything about music and have way too much disposable income to throw away on an plastic toy

Re: Medieval

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

fermigier wrote: post #92

Why "1320" ? Could it be because, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1320 "In France, a large group of common people band together in Normandy on Easter Sunday to begin a crusade, after a teenage shepherd says he was visited by the Holy Spirit" (my emphasis).

I thought because it’s a nod to something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mu_SP-1200
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