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Re: Medieval

#201

Post by pbronez »

yungporko wrote: post #172
lewisflude wrote: post #132

I know many musicians who love using Teenage Engineerings products for making music, performing live etc. However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. At the very least, Teenage Engineering hardware is generally very well designed, high quality and built to last. At least this product has some creative sp…

> However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. that is literally the intention behind all modern music hardware (eurorack especially) i think. i've been a producer for nearly 20 years and i've still never seen anybody make genuinely good music with any of these things. not even once. these 30-40 year old…

Heh I feel called out. I love these kinds of things and don’t publish any music. For me, it’s about the joy of making music. It’s not a performance, it’s a recreational activity. It’s playful.

When I want productive music making, with the intention of publishing, a computer with a DAW is the obvious tool for the job. No question. Hands down.

Still, there are absolutely people who publish fun tracks and perform live with this stuff:

https://youtube.com/@teftymeems

https://youtube.com/@espenkraft

https://youtube.com/@hainbach

https://youtube.com/@elisetrouw

https://youtube.com/@truecuckoo

https://youtube.com/@bobeats

And that’s just the indie fringe. Chvrches uses hardware synths. The Stranger Things soundtrack includes a critical sequence programmed on a modular sequencer for microtonal control. The Weekend’s Dawn FM video album features a Moog One prominently. Taylor Swift performed with a special edition Prophet 12. Etc etc

Re: Medieval

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Post by diggan »

fermigier wrote: post #92

Why "1320" ? Could it be because, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1320 "In France, a large group of common people band together in Normandy on Easter Sunday to begin a crusade, after a teenage shepherd says he was visited by the Holy Spirit" (my emphasis).

The original is EP-133, so not that far away.

Regarding the year dating, more likely to be a reference to just the general medieval theme. Only event in the year (in Sweden) I could find that is notable is the execution of Magnus Birgersson (Heir apparent). Not sure why'd they reference that though, so I'm guessing it's just a number that is "close" to 133 + in the medieval times.

Re: Medieval

#203

Post by knuckleheads »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #170
maccard wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. Have you ever met a guitarist[0], or a golfer? I play guitar, and as a teenager I spent _years_ playing a cheap encore guitar plugged into a no-name 15w amp imaginable with a zoom 505 [1]. I practiced for hours upon and hours and sounded awful. Now as an adul…

I played for years, on a cheap, short-scale, Univox bass, and getting a used Rick[0] (don’t judge the hair. It was in style, back then) made a huge difference. I no longer play, but did get get pretty good. In that case, the tool made the difference (and a buttload of daily practice. I felt I needed to earn the right to play that thing). But I think everyone knows some rich bastard, that has a handmade bespoke axe, a…

Hair looks great!

Re: Medieval

#204

Post by IAmGraydon »

pgt wrote: post #169
lewisflude wrote: post #132

I know many musicians who love using Teenage Engineerings products for making music, performing live etc. However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. At the very least, Teenage Engineering hardware is generally very well designed, high quality and built to last. At least this product has some creative sp…

“Regular people use their speakers to listen to your music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their speakers.” — Alan Parsons

I’ve never heard that before. Hilarious and brilliant!

Re: Medieval

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Post by diggan »

WatchDog wrote: post #44

Has anyone began dabbling in music production, just to play with some of teenage engineering's gadgets? I'm pretty sure if I bought one, it would just sit in my cupboard, but I'm looking for an excuse to buy one, has anyone here gotten more use out of one of their gadgets than they expected they would?

Maybe start with something cheaper to evaluate if it's something you want to do long-term, and if it fits, start looking at the TE stuff, you'll know better what you want then too.

Good entrypoint is the Novation Circuit family of devices. Circuit Rhythm is mainly around sampling and a drum machine, Circuit Tracks a all-in-one groovebox. Both of them are a lot of fun :)

Eventually you'll probably be better served by some Elektron device, still high price point but UX is a lot better/discoverable + lots of features in every single box.

Re: Medieval

#206

Post by diggan »

severak_cz wrote: post #178

I found it really funny. It's obviously probably useless for actual medieval music[0] but I think it can find it's users in bardcore or dungeon synth circles. You can definitely recreate this just by collecting appropriate VSTs and sample libraries, even probably by just loading some "medieval samples" to some groovebox. But if I got this second hand on cheap price I would definitely make some fun with it even if it…

> You can definitely recreate this just by collecting appropriate VSTs and sample libraries, even probably by just loading some "medieval samples" to some groovebox.

This is true for basically all electronic music hardware available today and in the past. I guess what we really pay for when buying these type of hardware is what's missing rather than what's included, and the constraints that helps you focus on actual music making.

Re: Medieval

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Post by tetha »

lewisflude wrote: post #132

I know many musicians who love using Teenage Engineerings products for making music, performing live etc. However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. At the very least, Teenage Engineering hardware is generally very well designed, high quality and built to last. At least this product has some creative sp…

I kind of have the same thought. This very much looks interesting and I like the whole folk/medieval metal scene quite a lot.

But the realist and the person in my who doesn't like spending money both agree: If $350 - $500 are on the table, I'm probably better off with a good keyboard with MIDI support, since it's a more open-ended and flexible tool. And my DAW can do a lot of the looping, looped recording, effects and such.

But enough negativity, this thing still looks really, really cool.

Re: Medieval

#208

Post by bembo »

mr_briggs wrote: post #80
b1n wrote: post #28

Nice 'Holy Mountain' vibes in the promo video. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Mountain_(1973_film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdXGhsAynGI

Watching The Holy Mountain, I felt like my life had been divided in 2 - that which came before watching it, and that which came after. Sure is an experience, and I certainly can't unsee a lot of it.

Watched it with some friends on shrooms for the first time. Incredible. All the movies we watched after it that night felt bland and uninteresting.

Re: Medieval

#209

Post by code_biologist »

yungporko wrote: post #172
lewisflude wrote: post #132

I know many musicians who love using Teenage Engineerings products for making music, performing live etc. However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. At the very least, Teenage Engineering hardware is generally very well designed, high quality and built to last. At least this product has some creative sp…

> However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. that is literally the intention behind all modern music hardware (eurorack especially) i think. i've been a producer for nearly 20 years and i've still never seen anybody make genuinely good music with any of these things. not even once. these 30-40 year old…

I think you're largely right but man there's some gold in the jams. Here's a 1 minute synth jam video posted to youtube 17 years ago, it still blows me away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Kiw4aoex4

Of course he's brilliantly talented and became Dorian Concept, to your point.

Re: Medieval

#210

Post by semi-extrinsic »

ygra wrote: post #179
isoprophlex wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurorack#/media/File%3AKeith... How the hell do you replicate your sounds between performances, recordings, etc. This must be the musical equivalent of people sending eachother zip files with source code instead of using git, lol. EDIT: don't get me wrong, not dissing the approach! It looks glorious and I wish I could play with one once..!

There was recently a post and discussion on this very topic here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40954679 Seems complicated, indeed.

As people also pointed out in that thread, some classical instruments like church organs have exactly the same problem.

Look at this one for instance: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_console#/media/File%3A... It has 522 draw knobs and 796 total controls for the musician to use. How do you play something on this organ to sound exactly like another organ?

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