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Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

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Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

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You don’t ride your bicycle through an airport terminal?

Why not? If it can be folded into a carry-on, draw a line between bicycle and wheelchair. I doubt many would object to a carry that turns into an electric wheelchair.

This reminds me so much of the “no vehicles in the park” test.[1] We allow wheelchairs as a special case for people with mobility issues, not because we want bike lanes inside airports.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453856

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

#52
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Part of the problem here is that it seems like you can't actually pedal this thing, which is to me (and a lot of lawmakers in the US) sort of foundational to the concept "bicycle". The other problem here is that with ever-increasing electric motor technology, old standards like engine displacement, or even power supply (gas vs electric) are not great indicators of the maximum speed of these things. As it stands, whil…

I see a lot of scooters around here with vestigial compliance pedals, mostly driven by gig delivery drivers. The form factor looks more like a moped. No one would ever use those pedals. Clearly they're there to skirt some kind of regulation. I'm not sure what the fix is, but "able to pedaled" is kind of a ridiculous compromise.

In 60s/70s France 14 year olds could ride motorised bicycles, so Vespa sold a Pedalo - a regular (but lower-powered I think) Vespa scooter with pedals as well as 2-stroke engine - you had to put the engine in neutral to pedal (I bet not many 14 year olds did this).

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

#53
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I see. Why not just limit the speed to that of a fast walking / slow running human and/or fine those who would ride carelessly enough to bump so people would have to remember deciding to ride means taking responsibility? Maybe also ban using smartphone while riding.

>people would have to remember deciding to ride means taking responsibility And that, dear reader, is where the plan falls apart entirely. But for real, regulation exists because large groups of people generally can't be expected to act rationally.

>But for real, regulation exists because large groups of people generally can't be expected to act rationally.

Especially tourists, who are the main users of these electric suitcases.

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

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> you can't actually pedal this thing... sort of foundational to the concept "bicycle". Interesting. Just wondering - what does "pedal" mean to you. Explicitly spinning and explicitly with feets? Are any of those not considered bicycles to you? -Elliptical bicycle -Treadmill bicycle -Handcycle

The first two don't go anywhere and therefore aren't a problem. The third is just a variation of bicycle. What is your point here?

The first two are probably more literal than you're interpreting them at first glance. E.g. imagine taking a bike and putting a literal treadmill in it to replace the pedals/seat. It's a (niche) thing separate from a treadmill and definitely moves. In the end I think you're right but your conclusion "it's just a variation of a bike" really applies to all 3, hence "${thing} bicycle" instead of something like "electric suitcase".

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

#55
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A license isn't needed for an electric bicycle. The law states that it is classified as an electric bicycle if it is only pedal assist and only up to 24kph (15mph). The issue arises when either there are no pedals, or it can be operated without using pedals, like these suitcases. Electric only operation moves the classification to a scooter, thus license needed. https://archive.ph/Fw5lX https://www.keishicho.metro.to…

Such a bad regulations. Rideable luggage actually seems reasonably innovative. It sucks how the government often gets in the way of meaningful improvements. Feels like we are really headed for dark ages.

Japan has a very public problem of self powered vehicles running into people/stuff.

With an aging population, drivers who mistakingly hit the accel when they meant to brake, thus running full missile mode into shops and sidewalks make the news almost every day("Prius missile")

The last things people want is additional vehicles plowing forward at the push of a button, this time indoors and/or on the sidewalk from the start.

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

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> Shouldn't they better just update the law to add an exception? No, the point is in crowded places like airports you don't want people zipping around on electric scooters, suitcases or otherwise, running into people - esp elderly.

So, a speed limit rather than a complete ban?

That could be the way. Now would these still sell if the speed limit was 2km/h ?

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

#57
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A license isn't needed for an electric bicycle. The law states that it is classified as an electric bicycle if it is only pedal assist and only up to 24kph (15mph). The issue arises when either there are no pedals, or it can be operated without using pedals, like these suitcases. Electric only operation moves the classification to a scooter, thus license needed. https://archive.ph/Fw5lX https://www.keishicho.metro.to…

In China some able-bodied people have started riding electric wheelchairs to get around licensing and usage laws restricting scooters. Some of the wheelchairs are pretty quick now, basically the same drivetrain in a different package.

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

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I see a lot of scooters around here with vestigial compliance pedals, mostly driven by gig delivery drivers. The form factor looks more like a moped. No one would ever use those pedals. Clearly they're there to skirt some kind of regulation. I'm not sure what the fix is, but "able to pedaled" is kind of a ridiculous compromise.

In 60s/70s France 14 year olds could ride motorised bicycles, so Vespa sold a Pedalo - a regular (but lower-powered I think) Vespa scooter with pedals as well as 2-stroke engine - you had to put the engine in neutral to pedal (I bet not many 14 year olds did this).

Isn't that what a moped is?

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

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Sure, except for the people they inevitably run into and/or injure. Sometimes it is better to restrict these things especially in public places.

How does it work for bicycles?

That's the point, isn't it, no one would ride a bicycle through a crowd, and if they did they'd ride very slowly and with extreme caution. But no such convention exists for animated suitcases.

Re: Japan cracks down on use of rideable electric suitcases amid tourist boom

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Sure, except for the people they inevitably run into and/or injure. Sometimes it is better to restrict these things especially in public places.

How does it work for bicycles?

Bicycles are known and understood by the people you're sharing spaces with; there are rules for where they're allowed and where they're not allowed and how they have to behave. The Japanese laws essentially allow ebikes that mimic bikes very closely to be used as bikes; otherwise you have to follow the rules for a scooter/moped (which is, after all, what you are).
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