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Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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kudos for giving out an actual number of humans fired. instead of the usual, de-humanizing percent of employees usually given

Note that these are layoffs not firings. The fault is with the employer, not the employee, and exit packages generally reflect this.

It largely doesn’t matter to most people. It’s a gap.

When an employer has a choice, they almost always take the gapless candidate.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

>US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR The important difference you're missing is that unlike china or the USSR, there are competitors you can jump ship to (eg. Lenovo or HP), and Dell can't send you to the gulag for disagreeing with them.

While a nice meme, it doesn't at all take away from the point that many large companies operate like planned economies, ee for example Walmart: https://www.versobooks.com/en-ca/products/636-the-people-s-r...)

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Why do recent layoff often need to attach something with AI? Few companies have even found a solid revenue model or recurring paying customers. I can only guess but saying layoff because of AI sounds better than « layoff » (because of mismanagement)?

China’s collapsing economy (30% of the world gdp) is also having an impact.

Even if (as you should) you dispute their exact growth figures, China's economy is not collapsing.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government has a say by creating legal framework governing how layoffs work.

They opted for at will employment which means they almost universally defer to business in practice.

Can you recommend any companies I can apply to with an option to “opt” for just-cause employment? Would be very impressed if you could list any companies offering “just-cause” employment with >=12,500 employees that these laid-off employees could have “opted” for.

Or does that not exist?

At first glance, it seems equivalent to “well, they opted to work on planet Earth”, with the implication that they could have opted to work on the moon or Mars or the ISS - as in, for the most part those options don’t actually exist, and where they do, there are a very limited number of jobs available (on the ISS), so that in fact not all of the 12,500 people could have opted to work there.

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kudos for giving out an actual number of humans fired. instead of the usual, de-humanizing percent of employees usually given

How is a count more "humanizing" than a percentage? They're both numbers.

I agree. 10 is 10% of 100, 1,000,000 is 10% of 10,000,000. They're mathematically equivalent. Why do I care if it's 10 people, or 10,000,000 people, or if it's just quoted as 10%? These are all abstract numbers, numbers are not matters of humanity.

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But they can deny you severance payments if you say anything bad about them. Not all companies do this, but enough that it makes the analogy to China or the USSR more appropriate

no. anti-disparagement clauses in severance agreements are illegal.

Thank you for pointing out my error.

"The National Labor Relations Board (“NLRB” or the “Board”) held in a February 2023 decision, McLaren Macomb, 372 NLRB 58 (2023), that the “mere proffer” of a severance agreement which conditions receipt of benefits upon forfeiture of protected rights under the NLRA constitutes an unfair labor practice."

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/labor_law/publications/la...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China’s collapsing economy (30% of the world gdp) is also having an impact.

Even if (as you should) you dispute their exact growth figures, China's economy is not collapsing.

It’s collapsing relative to the assumptions people made about growth. FDIC is down nearly 10x.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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hey the economy is doing great, what you are feeling is a "vibecession". Don't look at the hundreds of thousands of tech employees fired in the past 2 years.

An unfortunate truth about large tech companies is the amount of fluff on payroll. Layoffs are often just a basic cleansing.

A gentle reminder that the "fluff" is people.

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An unfortunate truth about large tech companies is the amount of fluff on payroll. Layoffs are often just a basic cleansing.

A gentle reminder that the "fluff" is people.

"Fluff" refers to the role. Ideally those people could be moved around to non-"fluffy" roles, but that's not always possible. Losing one's job is always a blow to one's dignity, and ultimately it may be better for those companies not to create those roles to begin with (of course, sometimes roles aren't fluffy when they are created, but become that way over time, eg, pandemic hiring). The truth is we have to have both eyes open when it comes to the value our roles provide to the company that hired us, and plan accordingly.
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