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Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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hey the economy is doing great, what you are feeling is a "vibecession". Don't look at the hundreds of thousands of tech employees fired in the past 2 years.

Tech hired way more than any other sector during the pandemic, and is now reverting to the mean. It sucks for us but means little about the broader economy.

I've been hearing this for the last 2 years. How many more layoffs until we touch the baseline?

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech hired way more than any other sector during the pandemic, and is now reverting to the mean. It sucks for us but means little about the broader economy.

except I know so many out of work that are not in tech. Finance is getting destroyed right now, also media, learning and pharma. Govt jobs and travel jobs lost during covid seem like the only thing thats out there. The economy is absolute garbage right now and the media has been gaslighting everyone saying its all in our heads.

It's really interesting how different the job market is across countries. Unemployment in Denmark is still really low (2.9% [1]) of the top of my head I can't think of a single industry that isn't still hiring, except there's no one to hire.

I'd really like to know why there's such a huge different between e.g. the US, UK and Denmark. It may have to do with declining population in Denmark. Or maybe US companies over-hired, because they could, but those people would have had to go somewhere else.

[1] https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/arbejde-og-indkomst/be...

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Wow, this feels like a middle finger on the way out the door: > Severance for most will likely involve a payout of two months wages plus a week per year served up to a max of 26 weeks A week per year of service?

That's .... pretty damn good, actually. 2 months is already way above "average" and adding weeks per year is ... nice.

Grading exit packages on a curve instead of what workers deserve only carries water for Dell and sets an ever lower bar for every subsequent round of layoffs.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

#35

US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

This is one of those moments people tell you 'not to feed the trolls', but if you ignore them, they have a platform to spew nonsense.

Reddit is far worse than HN, and no one has time to correct all the anarchist teens.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

#36

US corporations have become so large, they have started to function internally not unlike the fully fledged managed economies of the USSR. A bunch of MBAs acting as petty dictators hiring and firing at will, driven by nothing more than a few financial indicators and their intuition, i.e. they are making it up as they go, just like Stalin and Mao were doing back then.

To support your point, this is quite literally a part of a move to decrease them from 120k to 100k employees. Who decided those arbitrary numbers, and that 100k (not 105, not 95) was the goal needed for the best interest of the company, while not even linking it to specific division within it ? Clearly not someone in touch with the day to day and nitty gritty. Not because that number is good (or not), I don't know Dell enough for that. but because that number is too round, too perfect, to be anything else than a spreadsheet result, though displayed in a "Business Intelligence" suite of course. I'm sure the guy even had a great tie.

I understand it makes sense financially and that once companies become that big they are essentially playing two game (what they do game, with the workers, and what they're worth game, with the investors), but this really doesn't help with the dissociation more and more people are feeling between the stock market / modern management of companies by mba on one side, and their "real" every day live on the other.

I'm very lucky to be well off enough to not have to worry about things like that anymore, but I can't imagine the rage you must feel when fired not because you made a mistake, or are bad, or your project failed, or your division is doing poorly, or your company is, but because someone decided the employee ticker must reach that number, and now if it's not done the market will decide it's a failure, so you won the inverse lottery.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A semantic difference only. They were "made redundant", "let go", "laid off", "fired", "terminated", and any other set of convenient choices.

Not so. Being included in a RIF (reduction in force) is legally different than getting fired. Ask anyone who knows anything about corporate HR.

I'm not finding any legal difference in the US. What difference do you know of?

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's on top of "two months wages" base, which is already pretty generous. I'm not sure what you're expecting here? 2 months base + 1 month per year?

don't think 2 months is generous

What's your baseline and where are you getting it? At least compared to the statutorily mandated amount of 0 days, and what companies typically give out (eg. 1-2 months), it's pretty good.

Re: Dell lays off 12,500 people

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's .... pretty damn good, actually. 2 months is already way above "average" and adding weeks per year is ... nice.

Grading exit packages on a curve instead of what workers deserve only carries water for Dell and sets an ever lower bar for every subsequent round of layoffs.

Okay, how should it be graded? What's preventing me for arbitrarily choosing a number like 100 months? Averages might not be perfect, but at least everyone can agree on it.
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