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The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
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Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I love the idea that upgrading RAM/Hard Disk somehow equates to hacking your machine. It's akin to someone thinking they are an F1 mechanic because they can replace the car battery.
How would you define hack, if not fiddling with hardware against the manufacturers intent?
But in this case un-hackacble meant, unable to add ram which if the slots are there are not in anyway against the manufacturers intent. Now the new macbooks, if someone figured a way to add ram, it would be considered a hack.
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#93I know this isn't the place to say this, but. Think about the context of who they're [Apple] going after now. Regular people who don't care whatsoever if they can upgrade their RAM or have a bigger hard-drive. They want something that just works. Furthermore, even though applications eventually require more RAM or computing power, the majority of Apple products purchased today will handle that for years to come, espe…
Think about the context of who they're [Apple] going after now.
You explained the iMac or other consumer devices. It does not explain a purportedly professional device.
As I mentioned in another thread, I was seriously considering the MBP Retina as my first full Mac computer. Having a serviceable battery simply kills it though -- maybe Apple has some amazing new battery tech (unlikely), but my experience has been that laptop batteries start seriously degrading after a year. Despite all of the toss-away commentary in here by people with apparently more money than brains, I have household laptops that are 4+ years old and still working perfectly adequately as, for instance, web appliances. I refuse to spend $2200 for a laptop with such a short utility life.
And what's the deal with the non-retina costing the same as the retina? It seems like Apple is trying to heavily encourage getting the unserviceable model by overpricing the other model.
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#94The argument doesn't really hold up, as we're only given two choices: Upgradable, or amazing screen. If there was a third, "Upgradable and amazing screen" with the applicable price/weight tradeoffs, then the "we can choose" view would be more tenable. Regardless, the lack of upgradability isn't something that bugs me. My last two Apple laptops were "upgradable", but all I ever did was throw some RAM in there. The sub…
Off the top of my head (and so, perhaps wrong), I seem to recall the amount Apple is charging for going from 8 GB to 16 GB to be on the order of US$200. [1] For RAM that they are purchasing and installing in volume. That's a lot of net profit into their pocket, for each unit. And that's where I have one particular concern: Apple closing down and engorging itself on yet another market segment (upgrades). You can argue…
So $424 extra for the bigger drive, and $176 for the extra ram... that sounds almost reasonable.
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is the Air line for light weight laptops for normal people. I would think that the word Pro signals that this computer is for people who want to do stuff with it beyond what is provided up front.
This is the crux of the entire issue, crystalized perfectly. If you are going to carry multiple product lines, then why would their features converge? I see no reason to get into the closed vs open debate - this is Apple we're talking about. But why would they turn the Mac Book pro into a MacBook Air with higher specs? Why not get rid of all the branding distinctions and let the consumer spec out the machine, with a…
Maybe they should rename it MacBook Air Pro? :)
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#96The argument doesn't really hold up, as we're only given two choices: Upgradable, or amazing screen. If there was a third, "Upgradable and amazing screen" with the applicable price/weight tradeoffs, then the "we can choose" view would be more tenable. Regardless, the lack of upgradability isn't something that bugs me. My last two Apple laptops were "upgradable", but all I ever did was throw some RAM in there. The sub…
There is the Air line for light weight laptops for normal people. I would think that the word Pro signals that this computer is for people who want to do stuff with it beyond what is provided up front.
Pro means professional.
It does NOT mean a person who wants the ability to upgrade their RAM/Hard Disk from a third party.
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#97The title part "But should we really blame Apple?" rather than the original "UNFIXABLE, UNHACKABLE, UNTENABLE" is a perfect replacement for Apple loving HN crowd.
I love the idea that upgrading RAM/Hard Disk somehow equates to hacking your machine. It's akin to someone thinking they are an F1 mechanic because they can replace the car battery.
Hey, I replaced a spark plug once too... I should be chief mechanic at Red Bull in this case :)
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is the Air line for light weight laptops for normal people. I would think that the word Pro signals that this computer is for people who want to do stuff with it beyond what is provided up front.
This is the crux of the entire issue, crystalized perfectly. If you are going to carry multiple product lines, then why would their features converge? I see no reason to get into the closed vs open debate - this is Apple we're talking about. But why would they turn the Mac Book pro into a MacBook Air with higher specs? Why not get rid of all the branding distinctions and let the consumer spec out the machine, with a…
What you are talking about makes absolutely no sense.
There are completely different chipsets, ports, batteries etc in a MacBook Air versus a MacBook Pro. Most of which have dependencies on each other. So a user can't just spec out a machine with the exception of very specific components.
Hence why they are branded differently.
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#99The argument doesn't really hold up, as we're only given two choices: Upgradable, or amazing screen. If there was a third, "Upgradable and amazing screen" with the applicable price/weight tradeoffs, then the "we can choose" view would be more tenable. Regardless, the lack of upgradability isn't something that bugs me. My last two Apple laptops were "upgradable", but all I ever did was throw some RAM in there. The sub…
If there was such a choice I would probably have bought it already.
Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I love the idea that upgrading RAM/Hard Disk somehow equates to hacking your machine. It's akin to someone thinking they are an F1 mechanic because they can replace the car battery.
How would you define hack, if not fiddling with hardware against the manufacturers intent?
Because Apple has never had a problem with you replacing RAM/hard disks.
They provided instructions and it didn't void any warranties.