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Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by legitster »

causal wrote: post #34
cletus wrote: post #31

I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

Disagree. People use Google because it's the default, not because they will go out of their way to keep using it. The minute Apple changes the iPhone default, all but a few iPhone users stop using Google.

> People use Google because it's the default, not because they will go out of their way to keep using it.

Is this actually true?

Microsoft has bent over backwards trying making it inconvenient to get Chrome + Google on any new device. There's even the whole "Edge is the #1 browser to install Chrome" meme. Normies just really like Google.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by JohnFen »

repelsteeltje wrote: post #27
sva_ wrote: post #2

This could be bad for Mozilla?

Bad for Firefox , which still relies exclusively on Google sponsorship. Thunderbird , on the other hand, takes user donations.

> Thunderbird, on the other hand, takes user donations.

And it depends on Firefox, sadly.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by Maxatar »

causal wrote: post #34
cletus wrote: post #31

I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

Disagree. People use Google because it's the default, not because they will go out of their way to keep using it. The minute Apple changes the iPhone default, all but a few iPhone users stop using Google.

Perhaps, but it's worth noting that Chrome became the dominant browser on Windows even though Internet Explorer/Edge is the default browser and comes preinstalled.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by SllX »

causal wrote: post #49
hintymad wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On iOS the list of allowed search engines is simply baked into OS, we have a fiddly extension that hooks outbound calls to /search and redirects them but I wish we didn't need to. Wouldn't this be the fault of Apple as it is Apple that controls the list?

Important context is that massive sum of money Google pays for such exclusivity.

Google pays to be the default, not for exclusivity as evidenced by the list of SEs Apple provides to swap to.

I never knew what the hell Apple was doing with the extremely limited set of search engines with the only means to change it being to choose one of the others Apple has included on a static list which cannot be modified by the user.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by lupire »

vinyl7 wrote: post #51
thehappypm wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're probably sending a hash of the password, not the password itself, but, no opt-out isn't great.

Sending a hash seems pointless because I assume sites would salt/pepper the password before hashing so the hashes are different. Or maybe I'm naive about sites following best practices

Google isn't comparing your password to a password inside some other site's server! It's comparing to leaked passwords.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by howard941 »

perihelions wrote: post #24
babelfish wrote: post #11

Has the full opinion been published yet?

(PDF, 286pp) https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25032745/045110819896... via https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24155520/judge-rules-on-us...

IMO this item should point to the Verge's piece rather than the paywalled Bloomberg thing

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by alberth »

Warren Buffet recently sold ~55% of his Apple stock.

I wonder if this was related.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41155376

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Granted, Buffet also invested $40B and it's worth 9x today.

When you have $320B in gains, it's only prudent to begin to take some of those gains off the table.

https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/6-words-explain-why-warren-bu....

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