San Francisco Moves to Ban Anti-Competitive Rent Software
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#2Forming a cartel was already illegal.
If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one?
This isn't the case of judges deciding say "Boneless wings containing bones" isn't fraud/negligence [1] and so you now need a law to override them.
[1]: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ohio-supreme-court-rules-boneles...
Re: San Francisco Moves to Ban Anti-Competitive Rent Software
#3Forming a cartel was already illegal. If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one? This isn't the case of judges deciding say "Boneless wings containing bones" isn't fraud/negligence [1] and so you now need a law to override them. [1]: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ohio-supreme-court-rules-boneles...
Less effort needed to fight back against inevitable “we are not a cartel” lawsuits based on obscure rulings the lawyers dig up
Re: San Francisco Moves to Ban Anti-Competitive Rent Software
#4Forming a cartel was already illegal. If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one? This isn't the case of judges deciding say "Boneless wings containing bones" isn't fraud/negligence [1] and so you now need a law to override them. [1]: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ohio-supreme-court-rules-boneles...
> If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one?
A ban can take effect immediately. A legal prosecution for cartel behavior can take many years.
The evidence that "pricing software" was acting like a cartel wasn't immediately obvious and took time to collect. It wasn't until rental prices refused to fall in the face of increased interest rates and increased vacancy that people starting looking for "What is going on?" So, accusing people of sleeping on prosecuting cartel behavior is more than a little disingenuous.
"Pricing software" is simply another aspect of "outsource your illegal behavior". This idea that you can insulate yourself from illegal behavior by outsourcing it needs to get hammered, hard.
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#5Forming a cartel was already illegal. If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one? This isn't the case of judges deciding say "Boneless wings containing bones" isn't fraud/negligence [1] and so you now need a law to override them. [1]: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ohio-supreme-court-rules-boneles...
> If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one? A ban can take effect immediately. A legal prosecution for cartel behavior can take many years. The evidence that "pricing software" was acting like a cartel wasn't immediately obvious and took time to collect. It wasn't until rental prices refused to fall in the face of increased interest rates and increased vacancy that people…
How do you plan to enforce that ban?
Eh, RealPage was pretty obvious from day 1. The CEO literally has a ban on him doing the same thing for Airlines.
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Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41133143
Re: San Francisco Moves to Ban Anti-Competitive Rent Software
#8This and AirBNB the dirty dark side of Silicon Valley breaking down the core social fabric of housing as somewhere for people to live affordably. Rich tech bros just don’t care at all about whether or not something has devastating social impact, only that it makes money.
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#9Forming a cartel was already illegal. If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one? This isn't the case of judges deciding say "Boneless wings containing bones" isn't fraud/negligence [1] and so you now need a law to override them. [1]: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ohio-supreme-court-rules-boneles...
Yes, forming a cartel is illegal, but prosecuting cartels is complex and requires a high burden of proof. There’s also the jurisdictional complexity, especially if you’re waiting for federal prosecution. By creating a specific local law, San Francisco makes it much easier to prosecute this type of statute. This approach simplifies the burden of proof significantly. Instead of proving collusion, prosecutors only need to prove the use of such software. It’s a strategic move to facilitate enforcement and protect renters more effectively.
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#10Forming a cartel was already illegal. If you weren't going to enforce the existing laws what's the point of making a new one? This isn't the case of judges deciding say "Boneless wings containing bones" isn't fraud/negligence [1] and so you now need a law to override them. [1]: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ohio-supreme-court-rules-boneles...
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