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Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

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I am 60 and I retired a few years ago. I still have a side project that I work on because it is interesting to me; but I can work on it as much or as little as I want. While it is the kind of project that can 'change the world'; my well-being does not depend on its financial success. You don't have to hit the lottery to FIRE. Just make good money for a reasonable length of time and live beneath your means. Save and i…

That's great. What is your Net Worth? I am curious to learn about how you planned for the retirement and what can I learn to manage myself in retirement. I am 38. I imagine I might have 12-15 years of more work before retirement.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

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I retired, so that's a different discussion. It's tough on "older people" who are "only" in their 50's and 60's. I tried to stick with companies, and even the university, but funds came and went (mostly went) in university and aerospace. Tried to hang in there with Sun, but things were starting to implode there. So, a succession of "Let's pretend you're a contractor" and "You are a contractor" jobs with increasing di…

What's your age? How did you manage transition from going full time to contractor to retirement?

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

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I am 38. I am scared what it will look like in two years from now. Last year I lost my job (well, technically I left toxic manager and company).

I have been trying to get my bootstrapped project but it is so damn hard. Dipping into my savings worries me a lot.

Given that LLMs and CoPilots are now in fashion, I wonder if software development is done for old folks like me?

I have done ETL programming, managing teams and managing managers as well. I grew organically in all companies I worked for.

Is there future for managers or directors of software engineering?

Any tips on how can I get back in a year from now?

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

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post #2

I retired, so that's a different discussion. It's tough on "older people" who are "only" in their 50's and 60's. I tried to stick with companies, and even the university, but funds came and went (mostly went) in university and aerospace. Tried to hang in there with Sun, but things were starting to implode there. So, a succession of "Let's pretend you're a contractor" and "You are a contractor" jobs with increasing di…

What's your age? How did you manage transition from going full time to contractor to retirement?

I am 75 now. Honestly, contracting jobs were part-time at best, so work just wound down. My wife at the time was a Registered Nurse (you want to talk about job security?) and 5 years younger, so she never understood how hard it was to be an older techie without a big network.

She filed for divorce and I'll say more to matt_s in this thread about what to do or not do in retirement as I collect my thoughts. Divorce is not helpful, but I started collecting Social Security, and then we got separate places just before and after the home sold. Kind of a rough landing.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

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I've been coding, pretty much daily, for a least 4+ hours a day for 48 years. (Seriously, kinda obsessive about it.) Professionally for 40 years now.

I started in '76 as a 5th grader, signing up for my first university programming class after having attended a seminar on the then new field of 3D computer graphics. My first computer was an Ohio Scientific single board system, which barely worked. I finally got reliability with a 3.5K Commodore Vic-20, which I learned how to program video games in BASIC and 6502 Assembly. My high school best friend and I managed to get our games into Sears and K-Mart nation-wide (USA) holiday season of '82.

I've had a career many cannot believe when I relate: I was on Apple's 3rd party development team for the Mac in '83, a year before release. I worked for Benoit Mandelbrot in '85 on his original publication about Fractal Mathematics. I was part of the original 3D graphics research community, back when "how to render polygons" was research.

I was at Phillips during the development of CDROMs and wrote an interactive documentary production system as a demo for early mpeg, which turned into 13 7-hour art history documentaries in 8 languages. Then I was the video subsystem developer for both the 3D0 and the original PlayStation. I was on the RoadRash3D0's team, and the Tiger Woods PSX team with the South Park scandal. (The South Park on the disc was actually a mistake!) I was the director of research at the first Internet Live Video infrastructure provider, and produced an Internet live talk show with LA bands performing on request.

After the dotcom bust, I went into VFX and worked on 9 VFX heavy feature films as a programming digital artist, where I worked on the early 00's versions of the live action Scooby Doo, Garfield, and Narnia films. From that I became an actor replacement specialist, and then I wrote one of the original deep fakes patents - where I was trying to do personalized adverting, investors insisted the company produce porn, which I and my team of VFX Academy Award winners refused. (I was the tech working with the producer and vfx supervisor from the film "Babe: the talking pig".) I tried to pivot to video games with automated 3D character creation of real people, where I had damn good contacts in the games biz, but ultimately went bankrupt.

I ended up working for a facial recognition company that built on my work in addition to their key tech, and ended up producing the FR software in 70% of the western world's airports. I have since left that industry over ethics issues. Today I'm an independent AI developer writing project management software using mixture of experts methods operating in the immigration attorney space, with a more generalized version preparing for release as a generalized business/consumer product.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

#36

I am 60 and I retired a few years ago. I still have a side project that I work on because it is interesting to me; but I can work on it as much or as little as I want. While it is the kind of project that can 'change the world'; my well-being does not depend on its financial success. You don't have to hit the lottery to FIRE. Just make good money for a reasonable length of time and live beneath your means. Save and i…

That's great. What is your Net Worth? I am curious to learn about how you planned for the retirement and what can I learn to manage myself in retirement. I am 38. I imagine I might have 12-15 years of more work before retirement.

1) Get on the same financial page as your spouse and stay married. Although not necessary, it really helps if they also have a good income.

2) Get out of debt early. Stop paying interest and start getting it as you invest what you otherwise would use to service your debt.

3) When you get a windfall (bonus, lottery, inheritance, lucky stock pick); invest at least half of it before spending the other half on wants.

4) When you splurge (we all do now and then); do it on smaller things instead of big ones.

5) Pay attention to small things. Save a few bucks here and there and it can really add up. Compound interest is a wonderful tool. Saving a $100 this month can turn into $10K+ over 20 years of wise investing.

There are many more things, but that is my top five.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

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post #30

There are fields where age (read: experience) is a benefit and not a liability. These are areas in which making mistakes is VERY expensive and taking the time to do things "the right way" and getting it right the first time is worth the extra investment. These are fields such as: research, biotech, pharma, cyber security, medical, utilities, oil/gas, space (NASA), air (Boeing), defense, ... If you don't have skills i…

Also embedded systems. More experience is often worth more money there.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

#38
Food for thought from a dumb 50s man:

- Wear properly-fitted clothing.

- Be in great physical shape, if possible.

- Lift weights. It's good for you and good for your longevity. And earns you a certain sense of respect and power from others.

This has gone a long way for this bald, white-bearded guy in his 50s.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

#39
I started my own software company 34 years ago after 10+ years in tech (operating systems & networking at a laser printer spinoff from Knuth's TeX project in SV and a mini-supercomputer spinoff from Josh Fisher's VLIW research at Yale (CT)).

So I effectively vanished into our own little world (the world of print publishing), building plugins for first QuarkXPress and now Adobe InDesign. We've been a 4-man company for some decades now, all working from home long before it was cool. ;-)

After all this time, I've lost almost all contacts with folks from SV. Don't really miss it.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the old folks in tech?

#40
Wow. I sense some sincere interest by the author, but I find this tone deaf. I once worker with a entry-level C++ developer in her 70s -- probably not the expertise you're looking for, so I'll answer as someone who has been paid to write software for going on 40 years.

To understand what you see today requires rewinding the clock 30+ years and considering questions like: What did the job look like in different areas/industries? Who was doing it? How many such folks were there? What did the career path look like?

In my case I pursued a technical path and ended-up very comfortable financially, and took a series of "hard" (atypically so) VPE and CTO roles. I still code, a lot, but that's not in my job description any more.

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