Belenios: Verifiable online voting system
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Belenios: Verifiable online voting system
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#2Can you even reliably verify the entire voting process? From individuals using digital devices to votes being counted and tallies confirmed?
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#3> Using the web interface, the voter enters her credential and selects her vote. Her computer then computes the ballot, which corresponds to the vote encrypted with the election public key.
Like most (or all?) online protocols, this doesn't protect against vote selling or vote coercion.
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#4> Using the web interface, the voter enters her credential and selects her vote. Her computer then computes the ballot, which corresponds to the vote encrypted with the election public key. Like most (or all?) online protocols, this doesn't protect against vote selling or vote coercion.
The same could be said of mail in paper ballots too, which have seen widespread adoption in the United States starting in 2020, so I don’t think this should be a knock against this system.
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#5> Using the web interface, the voter enters her credential and selects her vote. Her computer then computes the ballot, which corresponds to the vote encrypted with the election public key. Like most (or all?) online protocols, this doesn't protect against vote selling or vote coercion.
I was going to say. AFAIK, no one has worked out a way that you can verify that your own vote was counted, while preventing you from being able to sell your vote.
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#6The goal of a voting system is not verifiability, but trust. Without trust elections have no legitimacy.
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#7> Using the web interface, the voter enters her credential and selects her vote. Her computer then computes the ballot, which corresponds to the vote encrypted with the election public key. Like most (or all?) online protocols, this doesn't protect against vote selling or vote coercion.
The same could be said of mail in paper ballots too, which have seen widespread adoption in the United States starting in 2020, so I don’t think this should be a knock against this system.
How would you prove that you voted how you said you did?
If you took a picture of your ballot, or even if you filmed yourself putting it in the envelope and putting it in the mailbox, there's nothing stopping you from taking it out later, tearing it up, and going to vote differently in person.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same could be said of mail in paper ballots too, which have seen widespread adoption in the United States starting in 2020, so I don’t think this should be a knock against this system.
How would you prove that you voted how you said you did? If you took a picture of your ballot, or even if you filmed yourself putting it in the envelope and putting it in the mailbox, there's nothing stopping you from taking it out later, tearing it up, and going to vote differently in person.
Just do it in person. The voter fills out the ballot in front of the buyer, seals and signs the envelope, and hands it to the buyer in exchange for cash. The buyer then puts it in the mail on the voter’s behalf.
The voter could go to a polling place afterwards and attempt to cast a provisional ballot but my understanding is that this is difficult, varies significantly state to state, and in many cases is not possible given that mail in ballots are detached from the voter identity ahead of Election Day in many states.
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#9In reality private keys will be mailed in insecure envelopes, issued multiple times (just to be sure) or issued to people, who are not citizens, moved away or died.
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#10The goal of a voting system is not verifiability, but trust. Without trust elections have no legitimacy.
I think these are technically interesting systems, but "trust" really is the goal. "Verifiability" doesn't necessarily imply "trust," especially if it's shrowded behind inscruable crypto mumbo-jumbo. A voting system should be something voters and poll workers (i.e., local volunteers) can understand.