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Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Bitcoin would make an awful legal tender, because by its design supply decreases while demand for it increases. An ideal, 0% inflation currency (assuming that is ideal) would expand and contract automatically with economic conditions. Satoshi considered this problem but decided it was too complicated to implement, which is why he went with the fixed supply route. Still, it's worth remembering that a fixed supply curr…

> people decrease spending - why spend $100 on something today, if you can buy it for $85 in a year? Imagine if everything suddenly was infected with the Osborn Effect. Otoh, certain products like TVs do seem to get better and cheaper as time goes on, yet people don’t seem to delay purchases. It’ll be interesting to see if conventional wisdom about deflation holds, should it come to pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

>Otoh, certain products like TVs do seem to get better and cheaper as time goes on, yet people don’t seem to delay purchases. It’ll be interesting to see if conventional wisdom about deflation holds, should it come to pass.

The problem isn't just the osborne effect, it's that deflation rewards a non-productive investment (money hoarding) that crowds out productive investments, which makes the economy less efficient.

Buying a TV comes out of spending money rather than savings/investment, and is harder to evaluate because if TVs are getting better and cheaper in the future, they're getting better and cheaper now and so people have more reason to upgrade in the first place - which offsets the incentive to delay the upgrade for future benefits.

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't in any way fix things. The underlying point of debasement and other schemes outlined in the article was to generate revenue for the government. Now governments use taxes to generate revenue and inflation to encourage circulation. While taxes and inflation are generally unpopular they are also vital to the functioning of society and the economy. BTC and many other token schemes implicitly or explicitly stan…

> Breaking a system you don't like doesn't automatically get you a system that's better. At this point the US debt is growing by 1 trillion every... 100 days. The system is breaking by itself, not because of Bitcoin. > While taxes and inflation are generally unpopular they are also vital to the functioning of society and the economy. Some taxes and some inflation. We're way past these.

Pointing to a national debt without context does not make a point, much less prove the system is breaking.

Global inflation has very little to do with any one governments choice in economic policy. However it should be said that the current state of inflation would make the problems caused by the widespread adoption of a inflation "proof" currency significantly worse.

Tax rates and distribution are an incredibly subjective and political issue. Given any tax policy there will always be a healthy split of experts and laypersons who think it is woefully low and those who think it is grossly high.

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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"democracies have not resorted to modern version of debasement as a revenue source due to the unpopularity of rising prices." The USA got rid of silver in its coins in 1964 and I believe copper in its pennies recently. The modern version of debasement is in the feds balance sheet, they've gotten so efficient there's no need to affect the physical substance.

I’d argue the fed funds rate is also a minor debasement mechanism since they pay interest out of think air on deposits they hold.

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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"democracies have not resorted to modern version of debasement as a revenue source due to the unpopularity of rising prices." The USA got rid of silver in its coins in 1964 and I believe copper in its pennies recently. The modern version of debasement is in the feds balance sheet, they've gotten so efficient there's no need to affect the physical substance.

If an expanding central bank balance sheet means debasement, what does it mean when the balance sheet is shrinking?

Because the opposite of "debasement" has been happening for some time now.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=1rdgN

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Bitcoin fixes this for the first time in human history. I’m excited about a future without monetary debasement. How many wars have been started by the “print more money until it is worthless, oops I have to start a war to fix it” spiral? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement

Bitcoin has debasement, it's called altcoins and hard forks.

More generally, Bitcoin solves the wrong problem, because Austrian economics got the history of money wrong. Money wasn't invented to track scarce resources, money was invented to track who had paid taxes to the correct military invaders. The traditional / pre-money form of economic system (in the sense of it being a system to track the usage of scarce goods) is the gift economy. This is the system humans are built to work in. But gift economies are backed by strong promises of identity in close-knit groups. A bunch of rapacious murderers extracting food out of the fifth town they've sacked this week aren't going to be able to tell the difference between John, son of John, John, son of the brother of John, and John, son of the cousin of John.

What money does is separate a person's identity from their ability to access scarce resources. This 'paraidentity' of money is rendered in the most extreme in crypto. Your identity means nothing, just the size of your wallet, to the point where even voting in cryptocurrency is proudly for sale. The thing is, separating access to resources from personal identity also centralizes control of those resources. Printing money to fund war is not a bug, it is a feature.

In fact, it's not even something Bitcoin fixes. The primary source of liquidity in the Bitcoin ecosystem is businesses buying it to pay data ransoms. Bitcoin, in the name of opposing statism, invented a new kind of state whose military consists of hackers penetrating and encrypting systems to force you to buy Bitcoin to decrypt them.

The way you debase Bitcoin is by inventing new kinds of Bitcoin. Because, remember, the scarcity isn't the thing bringing liquidity into the system. If the ransomware people decide they're only taking Ethereum this week, then people are buying Ethereum, not Bitcoin. All money exists to pay taxes, and if the tax collector wants a different kind of money, then they've successfully debased the old money.

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Bitcoin fixes this for the first time in human history. I’m excited about a future without monetary debasement. How many wars have been started by the “print more money until it is worthless, oops I have to start a war to fix it” spiral? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement

You should be very excited indeed because the future of your dreams arrived two years ago!

Since early 2022, the US central bank has been "unprinting" money. Their balance sheet is shrinking and the money supply is falling.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=1rdgN

You don't need Bitcoin to save you from the inevitable war that's caused by an inflating money supply and printing money out of thin air because the opposite of this is happening!

The money printer has been replaced by a money shredder!

The end of war is a pretty big deal, how will you celebrate?

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Bitcoin fixes this for the first time in human history. I’m excited about a future without monetary debasement. How many wars have been started by the “print more money until it is worthless, oops I have to start a war to fix it” spiral? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement

Bitcoin has debasement, it's called altcoins and hard forks. More generally, Bitcoin solves the wrong problem, because Austrian economics got the history of money wrong. Money wasn't invented to track scarce resources, money was invented to track who had paid taxes to the correct military invaders. The traditional / pre-money form of economic system (in the sense of it being a system to track the usage of scarce good…

Ignoring the half baked truths about Austrian economics (I'm not a fan of Austrian economics, but at least try to have valid criticism about them).

> Bitcoin has debasement, it's called altcoins and hard forks.

> The way you debase Bitcoin is by inventing new kinds of Bitcoin

Please read https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2021/03/23/legitimacy.html

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Today's feudal lords plaster you with advertising and enshittification. Paying a ransom fee doesn't help any more.

The ransom is the 8 dollar a month subscription that turns the ads off.

The wanton surveillance ads are based on stays though! Can’t give up that revenue.

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although there are other things we can do, like simplify regulations for truly small businesses so people have a chance to start something without needing legal expertise, lots of paperwork, etc.

One of the other factors preventing people from starting small businesses is lack of affordable health insurance. They can buy coverage through state exchanges but those are still more expensive that group health plans offered by large employers.

Is your comment still about Europe...?

Re: Monetagium – monetary extortion in feudal Europe

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Today's feudal lords plaster you with advertising and enshittification. Paying a ransom fee doesn't help any more.

The ransom is the 8 dollar a month subscription that turns the ads off.

Great, I can pay a ranson to avoid debasement to avoid tax !
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