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Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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Professional pianist here. They are boring but that’s hardly the biggest issue with Hanon, unfortunately. The biggest problem is the instructions that the composer leaves for the student, which includes the insistence that the student lift the finger high off the keyboard with each note. I can think of practically nothing more injurious to good technique and nothing more likely to induce tension than this. Hanon coul…

My piano teacher uses the Hanon for warmup, and it does seem to help train the fingers. We have never looked at the instructions, I didn't know it recommended this. It seems painful. Instead, she gives rhythms to follow, there's also one exercise consisting in accentuating times. I guess it can (should) be used like this: keep the scores, disregard the instructions, add your own exercises on top of the scores. I do f…

Playing scales and arpeggios is one common warmup. For practicing technique, there lots and lots of etudes by Czerny, Burgmüller and others that have copyright expired.

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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I’m a father of two children, a nine and two year old, and none of us know how to play piano. I did play a woodwind for five years in and out of school, and did extracurricular music for many years - even from a young age.

Now, I’d like my son to learn piano as his first instrument. I imagine the theory and complexity of chords thrust on the pianist must be a good foundation for music in general - certainly I’m fine with my kids departures to any other instrument and mastery isn’t itself the goal.

Is this app the right tool? It doesn’t explicitly market to this segment. However, there are a number of other apps out there I’ve considered as well, including PianoMarvel mentioned elsewhere.

Surely, 1:1 lessons will be recommended - and I imagine they have their place - but I’d prefer to lean a bit harder into self-guided / app-guided and augment with a human tutor as necessary. My experience was that my tutored sessions were a bit wasteful (I wasn’t a disciplined student, and certainly wasted a lot of time and money).

My ideal setup is either an iMac or iPad and an electric piano.

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Professional pianist here. They are boring but that’s hardly the biggest issue with Hanon, unfortunately. The biggest problem is the instructions that the composer leaves for the student, which includes the insistence that the student lift the finger high off the keyboard with each note. I can think of practically nothing more injurious to good technique and nothing more likely to induce tension than this. Hanon coul…

Are there any exercise books or videos or schools that teach this concept of weight transfer that you speak of? I am a one-finger pianist at the moment.

The taubman technique explores the practical aspects of piano playing from an "ergonomics first" set of principles and is highly recommend it if you can get any of Golandsky's videos. Unfortunately, it's one of those techniques that can be difficult to learn theoretically, and you may need a teacher to be able to guide you through the movements.

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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I’m a father of two children, a nine and two year old, and none of us know how to play piano. I did play a woodwind for five years in and out of school, and did extracurricular music for many years - even from a young age. Now, I’d like my son to learn piano as his first instrument. I imagine the theory and complexity of chords thrust on the pianist must be a good foundation for music in general - certainly I’m fine…

I suggest an electronic keyboard with weighted keys and the free Mayron Cole lesson books.

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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That's not strong opposition there. One basically says it's boring, and the other says that only a certain technique can ever be good, and then it isn't even cited.

Professional pianist here. They are boring but that’s hardly the biggest issue with Hanon, unfortunately. The biggest problem is the instructions that the composer leaves for the student, which includes the insistence that the student lift the finger high off the keyboard with each note. I can think of practically nothing more injurious to good technique and nothing more likely to induce tension than this. Hanon coul…

The purpose of Hanon is to build muscles into typically weaker fingers like the fourth and fifth. The exaggerated movements are specifically designed to build memory muscle and power.

Hanon is battle tested and all the great virtuoso have gone through it whether they like it or not.

The problem with modern apps and paid learning online is the idea that the boring and hard parts can be skipped with some clever marketing.

If this was true then we would be churning out new pianists at faster rate but its falling but the age is dropping

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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I’m a father of two children, a nine and two year old, and none of us know how to play piano. I did play a woodwind for five years in and out of school, and did extracurricular music for many years - even from a young age. Now, I’d like my son to learn piano as his first instrument. I imagine the theory and complexity of chords thrust on the pianist must be a good foundation for music in general - certainly I’m fine…

The teacher isn’t there to teach - you could do that on your own with enough time and energy. The teacher is there to preserve your passion by making sure you don’t get bogged down in easily-fixable troughs. They will hopefully have knowledge of music such that you’re always excited to play something new rather than feeling like you have to dig through a composer’s works to find something worthwhile. They provide accountability for your practice and validation for when you do well.

Ideally, you should use yourself as a guinea pig to test out the teachers in your city to find one that’s best for your kids. In reality, dumping your two-year-old on your wife to do that sucks for both of you. Your local music shop can help steer you away from teachers with bad reputations in your city.

https://youtube.com/@cedarvillemusic?si=BiZ9tF9fYcEkxcMw

This guy has thorough answers to questions no one wants to ask (e.g. Are my hands too small? What if I’m playing for others and I forget how the piece goes? Why does improvisation feel impossible to understand? How long should I practice? Should my hands hurt?).

https://web.archive.org/web/20200118023642/https://howmusicw...

This is the best explanation of music theory I’ve found and I’ve looked everywhere.

https://www.reddit.com/r/musictheory/wiki/core/modes/

The FAQ on the music theory Reddit has answers to questions that are largely impossible to find elsewhere. “What are modes?” is one of those questions.

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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There's an idea that an app can replace the boring and hard. For somethings that may be true but piano proficiency is sight reading and muscle memory. This is something you cannot speed run.

The purpose of Hanon is to teach aspiring pianists that real effort and grinding is required to be able to make that jump into the world of virtuoso and the more resistance a student puts up the greater the probability of them dropping out.

I'm just throwing my two cents as a someone trained in classical piano. Coding is also similar in that if you skip the tough and boring part of your journey it will not set you up with the solid fundamentals to tackle complicated problems.

Mastering a piece is not that different from mastering programming.

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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I’m a father of two children, a nine and two year old, and none of us know how to play piano. I did play a woodwind for five years in and out of school, and did extracurricular music for many years - even from a young age. Now, I’d like my son to learn piano as his first instrument. I imagine the theory and complexity of chords thrust on the pianist must be a good foundation for music in general - certainly I’m fine…

In nearly any instrument it's very important to get the technique right from the start. It's incredibly easy to catch bad habits which then are much more difficult to unlearn, and will make your progress much slower and frustrating. So actually it's the other way around: pay a teacher to help him start, correct his posture/technique/etc, then later on you can wean off and continue on your own :)

Re: Show HN: Hanon Pro – piano technique and exercises for the digital age

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I tried it, I guess I'm your target market, I'm relatively new to keyboard, trying to learn, and do happen to have a Bluetooth MIDI adapter. A few notes and observations from a quick trial run below: - the app crashed out a few times when connecting to my MIDI controller (a Yamaha MD-BT01 dongle that plugs into the old school MIDI plugs on the keyboard). Not sure what's going on there, but it happened a few times. -…

"I like that wrong notes were highlighted"

This is such a fundamental feature that is glaringly absent from so much (most?) music-instruction software. I don't want to know only that I missed some of the notes; I want to see WTF I actually played, so I can adjust accordingly!

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