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Post by dewey »

pdimitar wrote: post #359
dewey wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could also be a bit more compassionate and just realize that people make mistakes or just don't have every line on their website memorized if they decide one day to just share a YouTube video. I doubt they are actively trying to trick people into letting down their "adblocker" guard so they can retarget them with advertising...

Compassion has nothing to do with taking something seriously. I have compassion for their cause. Read 2 articles and was intrigued. At the same time, spotting such an obvious mistake does make me wonder if their articles have glaring mistakes in them as well.

"Perfect is the enemy of good" really applies here.

Someone is aware of the issue of online tracking and tries their best to get rid of all of these things (web fonts, analytics,...) and even states their intent "No tracking". One day they make a small mistake and don't realize that sharing a YouTube link on their website drops a cookie and immediatelly all the good they are trying to do is forgotten.

I hope you never make mistakes.

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Post by gmd63 »

mihaaly wrote: post #238
gmd63 wrote: post #216

"Go slow, and fix things." Stark contrast from the core attitude of mainstream extractive tech work, and a necessary ethos amid a growing storm of complexity that humanity increasingly depends on We are trying to go slow and fix things biologically that our natural evolution has left us vulnerable to. Cancer, prion diseases, etc. Yet we have resigned the evolution of information tech over to God as we haphazardly rac…

> a growing storm of complexity that humanity increasingly depends on Yet real engineers ought to now that “An engineer has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but nothing left to take away”. ... or they never new and yet attempting engineering anyway? Growing portion of my life is spending time with the complexity of toolchain and work context, while my outcome diminishes in every sense, amoun…

> financial selection is the way how society work on top of finite resources since ancient times. That's part of the game.

Agreed, not saying financial signals are not valuable, just that they bring new challenges that, like most things, lead to problems when obsessed over in lieu of what matters most. You can also develop problems by moving too slowly and fixing things that do not matter.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by louwrentius »

pdimitar wrote: post #329
louwrentius wrote: post #300

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It makes me sad that this is the top comment for this link to Hundred Rabbits. I feel it’s such a “I am very smart gotcha” comment that isn’t helpful in any way. It distracts from the actual topic.

It calls out a bogus claim. The actual topic is diluted and deemphasized if the authors make bogus claims. So the distraction is on them, not on HN commenters.

You pointing out a minor mistake that has zero implications doesn’t provide any value. It may feel good to you pointing out mistakes others made, but especially in this case it doesn’t matter. It’s not important.

And you seem to read way too much into this mistake, promptly distrusting all the content they ever made or wrote.

Next time you make a mistake, I hope people around you will treat you the same way you treat other people, let’s find out if you like that.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by pdimitar »

dewey wrote: post #361
pdimitar wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compassion has nothing to do with taking something seriously. I have compassion for their cause. Read 2 articles and was intrigued. At the same time, spotting such an obvious mistake does make me wonder if their articles have glaring mistakes in them as well.

"Perfect is the enemy of good" really applies here. Someone is aware of the issue of online tracking and tries their best to get rid of all of these things (web fonts, analytics,...) and even states their intent "No tracking". One day they make a small mistake and don't realize that sharing a YouTube link on their website drops a cookie and immediatelly all the good they are trying to do is forgotten. I hope you neve…

This absolutely does not relate at all to me. I don't make extraordinary claims so I am not bound to provide extraordinary evidence. So your "I hope you never make mistakes" is irrelevant or, even worse, arguing in bad faith.

You can spin it any way you like. Claims should be backed and checked, else credibility flies out the window. I don't get how that's not glaringly obvious.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by criddell »

Inviz wrote: post #266

A single 1$ STM32 blue pill (or one 4$ STM32F4, or god forbid esp32) could do so much more than a NES at lower energy consumption.

There's definitely some tension between their constraints and desires. I love that they are able to productively use hardware that is usually considered obsolete. But they also have a pretty severe power and space budget. If I were asked to advise on a small, low power computing setup, it would be hard to beat a modern phone of some type. But that choice violates so many of their stated objectives it's a non-starter.

The old TRS-80 Model 100 fits some of the goals. It runs for a long time on just four AA batteries. But it's text only and perhaps even too limited even for 100R. I'd love to see a modern version of that machine with a bitmapped display, running a minimal (not Linux) OS, that can run for months on four AA batteries. Maybe something like a somewhat upgraded Psion 5. I think much of the Psion software is available so maybe it's actually a possibility.

Re: Hundred Rabbits is a small collective exploring the failability of modern tech

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Post by pdimitar »

louwrentius wrote: post #363
pdimitar wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It calls out a bogus claim. The actual topic is diluted and deemphasized if the authors make bogus claims. So the distraction is on them, not on HN commenters.

You pointing out a minor mistake that has zero implications doesn’t provide any value. It may feel good to you pointing out mistakes others made, but especially in this case it doesn’t matter. It’s not important. And you seem to read way too much into this mistake, promptly distrusting all the content they ever made or wrote. Next time you make a mistake, I hope people around you will treat you the same way you treat…

> It may feel good to you pointing out mistakes others made, but especially in this case it doesn’t matter.

It does matter, it is important. Making such a mistake calls into question if they don't have other, more serious, mistakes in their actual articles.

> Next time you make a mistake, I hope people around you will treat you the same way you treat other people, let’s find out if you like that.

I don't make extraordinary claims so I am not bound to provide any extraordinary evidence. They do make an extraordinary claim.

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Post by vinnyvichy »

gvicino wrote: post #308
vinnyvichy wrote: post #225

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In this respect, their page for hacking baguettes by sun&sea is my personal favourite https://100r.co/site/solar_cooking_experiment.html 100Rabbits is like the coming true of Grothendieck's 1972 permatech lecture given at CERN* https://github.com/Lapin0t/grothendieck-cern >"I think that agriculture, stockbreeding, decentralized energy production, medicine of a certain kind, very different from the medicine that preva…

Hello, Thank you for the link you've shared. I read it with great interest. While I can conceive that the aforementioned areas might survive in a post-industrial civilization, it is unclear to me how the technology that 100rabbits is researching could do the same. They might use Raspberry Pis or old PCs donated by others, but: - these are impossible to manufacture without industries, and they are limited in number -…

Thank you for your curiosity!

Decentralization is a very long term effort -- Grothendieck said it would take generations, we can't expect immediate results. So while 100R certainly can't survive without relying on industry, it does do research into technologies that may be easier to "deindustrialize". See the "off-grid" and "sustainability" pages on their site.

Finer point: even before the industrial revolution, humans have had access to supercomputers -- their own brains!

It's conceivable that in the not so far future we will be able to grow computers of our own design, from just air and water.

See promising efforts in this direction, it's not an empty dream! https://youtu.be/bEXefdbQDjw

I guess the moral of the day with regards to banks and finance is, don't jump the gun! We will need them until we can grow raspberry pies on a tree!

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Post by rkachowski »

bArray wrote: post #286

A "small collective" is two people in this case? I think they are at risk of becoming exactly what they hate, with a convoluted build stack that outside people struggle to use. Why was 6502 decided on instead of Java for example, which is relatively platform agnostic?

Java is seemingly the first thing they considered[1], but it was too fragmented and complicated for their purely pragmatic usecase.

[1] https://100r.co/site/weathering_software_winter.html

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Post by mgaunard »

ropejumper wrote: post #332
mazdayasna wrote: post #235

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"they/them x iel/ielle" really just means "a heterosexual couple"

I wonder why this bothers you so much as to go on the internet and tell everyone what you personally think about who those two people actually are.

I believe clear and succinct writing is the key to effective communication.

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Post by dhagz »

pdimitar wrote: post #366
louwrentius wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pointing out a minor mistake that has zero implications doesn’t provide any value. It may feel good to you pointing out mistakes others made, but especially in this case it doesn’t matter. It’s not important. And you seem to read way too much into this mistake, promptly distrusting all the content they ever made or wrote. Next time you make a mistake, I hope people around you will treat you the same way you treat…

> It may feel good to you pointing out mistakes others made, but especially in this case it doesn’t matter. It does matter, it is important. Making such a mistake calls into question if they don't have other, more serious, mistakes in their actual articles. > Next time you make a mistake, I hope people around you will treat you the same way you treat other people, let’s find out if you like that. I don't make extraor…

I feel that engaging here is probably a mistake, but screw it.

> I don't make extraordinary claims

That seems like a pretty extraordinary claim to me. That you've made. Twice.

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