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Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Osiris »

JohannL wrote: post #71
ishansharma wrote: post #46

Opera is still not getting some basic features right and that is costing them users. I remember asking for a feature in forums in days of Opera 11.00. The feature was something that every browser has: "Remembering contents of a text field." For example, when I enter my email address once in a website and then come back another day and write first letter of my email id, it is displayed in a dropdown. But Opera outrigh…

Opera has an inbuilt IMAP client... which I admittedly never use, but between that and Thunderbird, why would you even want to use webmail? Of course it should still work, even though it's silly, but you also "should" not even notice that it doesn't, is what I'm saying. Certainly if you imply your time is so precious, heh. And what is wrong with F11?

I absolutely love the mail client in Opera. In fact, it's the primary reason I still use Opera as my main browser. At work I use Chrome because we use our own webmail client (same one we sell to customers).

I have six email accounts setup in my Opera, all using IMAP. There's a unified INBOX so I can check all my messages, but still be able to review each INBOX separately. Email search is BLAZING fast, the fastest search I have ever used, though it lacks advanced search options like searching only in the subject.

The contacts view is also awesome. Click on a contact and it'll show all the mail to and from that person, instantly. No searching.

The best part is that I never have to "check" my email. Opera notifies me as soon as I get an email (thanks to IMAP) and I keep open the sidebar on the right so I can always see the UNREAD counter to know if I have new messages or not.

Since reading email and browsing the web are things I do all the time, it really makes a lot of sense to me to have those two activities live in the same window and use the same tab navigation system. I love it.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by Osiris »

aw3c2 wrote: post #85
ernesth wrote: post #12

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> Opera is much slower than Chrome, at least on my computer It is the contrary on my computer: chrome is painfully slow, whereas firefox is OK and opera is faster. I guess opera is not the best for everyone.

same here, I would also be very unhappy without opera's instant backward/forward navigation.

Awesome feature. I hate that other browsers ask you to resubmit a form when navigating back. Opera just shows you the cached page that it bad before. Combining that with the mouse flip gesture, browsing is a breeze. In Chrome you have to click BACK or use BACKSPACE (or a mouse with a dedicated nav button). In Opera, I click the right then the left mouse buttons and I'm back at the previous page. Alternate to go back forward.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by solox3 »

excuse-me wrote: post #99
untog wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but 64-bit computing isn't a magic bullet that speeds everything up. As gcp stated, there are both benefits and drawbacks.

Although it does break that annoying 4,294,967,296 open tabs limit!

This is nowhere near realistic. Opera's performance degrades linearly after the first 10000 tabs.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by rplnt »

sim0n wrote: post #102
hoppipolla wrote: post #60

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FWIW we have the "wand" feature which will fill in, and submit, a form for you with previously used values (it's the key icon on the toolbar or ctrl+enter). I know this is not quite the same implementation that other browsers have.

Your "wand" feature also adds a terrifically ugly yellow border to remembered inputs which developers have no way to prevent (like you can with WebKit by using outline: 0). I'm all for a constant UI to create a good UX but not when it can make a site look bad.

From UX point of view, it's great to have it there though.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by rplnt »

alanh wrote: post #103
rplnt wrote: post #26

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Not sure what you mean now? I'm still on older Opera (11.61) and the checkbox is resized.

But it does not look checked, right? One should be checked. Also, clicking it has no (visual) effect (though it will toggle the checked attribute in the DOM). It’s a truly terrible bug, and a strong argument that Opera should not use -webkit- properties like transform until it can actually handle them. I reported it a couple months ago and have not received any follow-up at all.

It is checked and checking it works as well (11.64 at home now). But as other comment pointed out, it looks ugly. I tried FF 9 - same as Opera - works and is ugly. In Chrome 19 it does not work at all (i.e. the checkbox is small).

So it got fixed. And I don't think they do follow-up unless they need you to reproduce the bug or something.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by rplnt »

siodine wrote: post #72

For me, the most important missing feature is tab lazy loading -- without that my usecase is impossible (hundreds of tabs).

I only use about hundred tabs (not hundreds) but I find Opera best in this regard - mostly because memory usage, stability (as opposed to chrome) and capability of the UI to handle that many tabs while being usable. The thing is, I don't turn the browser off. Maybe once a month to install Windows updates.

There's an ugly workaround though - start Opera without internet connection and then reload tabs as needed.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Post by ilaksh »

daeken wrote: post #89
ilaksh wrote: post #20

Why don't they enable WebGL by default? I don't see why more people don't realize, WebGL is a prime Microsoft threat and the key to moving away from the MS Windows monopoly. That's why Microsoft has done so much work to try to scare people away from WebGL (by sponsoring 'security research' and creating FUD content on Wikipedia (seriously, look at the history of that article, the person who created the whole 'security…

For background, I write a lot of WebGL demos, I work for Mozilla on gfx optimizations (WebGL and otherwise) for the Boot2Gecko project. I also worked at Matasano Security previously, doing WebGL security research. As such, I tend to think that I'm pretty unbiased in this regard -- or perhaps biased towards WebGL, since I love it and want to see it everywhere. So with all that said, your characterization of MS's secur…

How many examples of this type of "just 3 layers" compromise have we actually ever seen being used as an "attack"? How many is that compared to the number of known attacks against browsers using non WebGL-related technologies?

Did you actually see the specific 'security' concerns that that MS shop put out? Part of it was a laughable demo of an 'attack' that actually did not compromise anything, and looked like a mock-up that would be used in a movie. Whether there are potential security concerns or not, the actual 'concerns' that MS and that company raised were definitely FUD.

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