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Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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Google doesn't portray its ads as content.

right that's why they don't show right above where the actual content of search results is displayed....oh wait...

I think your definition of "content" is too expansive in this context. Just because it's on the page doesn't mean it's content. Skype/MS saying that the presence of in-line ads will foster conversation is much different than sponsored or side results in Google SERPs.

Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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On Fedora (17 here, 32 bits) replaces the old package without installing any extra stuff. I haven't tested it deeply, but looks like runs smoother than the previous (quite unstable) version.

The point was that skype has no x86_64 version. So if you have a 64 bit install (random aside: I hope you're on an Atom netbook and not running a 32 bit linux on a desktop/laptop) it will pull all the i686 versions of its dependencies. This probably works now on Ubuntu, which has finally rolled out a multilib implementation (that I haven't kicked the tires on yet).

I apologize for the digression, but what's wrong with running 32bit linux on a desktop/laptop?

Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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At some point, Skype announced that it would open-source the UI part of the Linux client, allowing people to implement whatever interface they wanted. I guess that was before they were bought by Microsoft.

You can communicate with the Skype client over DBus, which allows you to replace a lot (although not all) of the UI with something else. Two examples: http://code.google.com/p/skype4pidgin/ https://github.com/technomancy/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/skyy... The protocol is incomplete (the "native" Qt UI isn't built on it), but it is at least documented on their dev site.

There's also https://launchpad.net/~skype-wrapper/+archive/ppa but it's buggy and still requires you have the main Skype window running.

Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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I'm curious to see your numbers on that.

If you want to call somebody's claim out as bullshit, call it out as bullshit, please stop with the passive aggressive [citation needed] shit, it is extremely obnoxious, does not contribute to the discourse, and becoming very common in the comments here. I encourage other users to down vote these style of comments, and up vote explicit reasoned replies.

It's a pretty bold statement to say that Skype would profit from being open source, I'd say a citation is well in order. If you want an example of aggression (more blatant than passive) then you only need look at your own post.

Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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The point was that skype has no x86_64 version. So if you have a 64 bit install (random aside: I hope you're on an Atom netbook and not running a 32 bit linux on a desktop/laptop) it will pull all the i686 versions of its dependencies. This probably works now on Ubuntu, which has finally rolled out a multilib implementation (that I haven't kicked the tires on yet).

I apologize for the digression, but what's wrong with running 32bit linux on a desktop/laptop?

How many years has it been since AMD released the Hammer architecture? There was actually a recent post on the LKML that mentioned this.

http://lwn.net/Articles/501769/

At this point, I see no reason to run a pure 32 bit userspace. There are no real advantages. The performance impacts are minor, and most people are over 4 GB (or should be).

Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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The point was that skype has no x86_64 version. So if you have a 64 bit install (random aside: I hope you're on an Atom netbook and not running a 32 bit linux on a desktop/laptop) it will pull all the i686 versions of its dependencies. This probably works now on Ubuntu, which has finally rolled out a multilib implementation (that I haven't kicked the tires on yet).

I apologize for the digression, but what's wrong with running 32bit linux on a desktop/laptop?

Apart from it being a measurably slower architecture (15-20% is typical) and the only sane way of dealing with large memory machines? (Laptops with 8G are routine today, and require a PAE kernel on i686). Refusing to upgrade is the reason that products like Skype continue to refuse to support 64 bit targets.

Just try it. Chances are you won't even notice the difference, except that your battery will last a tiny bit longer if you do compute-heavy stuff.

Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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I apologize for the digression, but what's wrong with running 32bit linux on a desktop/laptop?

Apart from it being a measurably slower architecture (15-20% is typical) and the only sane way of dealing with large memory machines? (Laptops with 8G are routine today, and require a PAE kernel on i686). Refusing to upgrade is the reason that products like Skype continue to refuse to support 64 bit targets. Just try it. Chances are you won't even notice the difference, except that your battery will last a tiny bit l…

You can run a 64 bit kernel, with a 32 bit userspace BTW, this lets you access all the memory on your machine.

Personally I'm waiting for debian multiarch to switch, since I have no desire to reinstall everything from scratch. If debian multiarch did not exist I might have bitten the bullet, but since it does, I can wait a bit for it.

Re: Skype 4.0 for Linux

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How else could they possibly justify spending $8billion on it?

Skype has been a disruptive technology within the phone industry. Combined with Microsoft's mobile operating system and perhaps a hardware partner such as Nokia, it is quite possible that we may say mobile "phones" that completely bypass the current established carriers. To put it another way, how often are most people away from a WiFi network when they make a call? Or more importantly, when they access a data stream…

At least I will much more often be with a phone with no WiFi access than within WiFi access with no computing device except a phone. And if I have something other than a phone available, I'm really not going to use Skype on the phone. The old Linux version of Skype wasn't the most brilliant piece of software ever, but even it is so far ahead of the phone versions of Skype that it's not even funny.

Does Skype run decently on any phone platform? I know the Android version will drain the battery dry faster than playing a 3D game and will not reliably receive calls even when running in the foreground. And it's my understanding that the WP7 version requires so much memory it doesn't even run on all WP7 phones, and will not run at all in the background making it totally useless.

At this point the idea that Skype + mobile would be some kind of a killer combination worth billions seems like a total pipe-dream. The only real-world effect it has is to kill Nokia faster due to mobile operators hating Skype, and not wanting to be aligned with MS.

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